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Old 23 August 2004, 08:18   #1
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Beached Whale...I mean camel..

What nobba anchors his boat off the beach with a force 7 forecast? Guess what happened overnight?...

...same bloke who lost his racing yacht thingy off the moorings in the previous weeks storm from the same place.....
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Old 23 August 2004, 11:56   #2
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That is not very serious
Listen to this, last week a guy hired a RIB for a week. Brought it back with bow seriously chipped and scratched (it needed more than jell coat), boat flooded with sea water, anchor broken!! (he got it back to show me what a W@#$#$R he had been), ropes tangled, bilge pump burnt, water in petrol, hand held torch broken, spare batteries and hand book soaked, spare spark plugs ruined and the boat full of sand.
All this because he anchored his boat facing the beach with the anchor tied aft and a rope forward (boat's bows facing the beach). The wind changed and the boat was thrown on the beach. Damage about Euro 500.00
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Old 23 August 2004, 12:24   #3
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I've noticed people don't seem to care for their camels very much.

Last year I noticed one moored outside Seaview IOW, completely swamped and had been like that apparantly for some time. There is another moored opposite the Westminster Boating Base on the Thames which I've never seen moved in 2 years and is in a very sorry condition.

I understand they change hands for around £20k which makes me wonder why the ones I've seen are so neglected.
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Old 23 August 2004, 15:57   #4
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So this guy i belive to be a cheshire play boy, he left his cork 1720 rag and stick thingy, on someone elses mooring off abersoch and it came adrift in 50 knot winds on wednesday morning. Me and Ian jones pulled it in and claimed salvage on it. The guy who owned it offered me a pint !! i told him where he could shove his pint and asked him for the phone number of his solicitor and insurance company!!! When we got back we phoned the marina to see what wind was registered at the time - 49 knots Pretty scary towing a 8m yacht with a 6m rib in a 49 knot wind and 4m swell.

You can imagine my face when i got a phone call this morning at 8am saying his camel rib washed up on the beach!!! Even more smiles when it was on the abersoch web cam
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Old 23 August 2004, 18:06   #5
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Me and Ian jones pulled it in and claimed salvage on it. The guy who owned it offered me a pint !! i told him where he could shove his pint and asked him for the phone number of his solicitor and insurance company!!!
You are all heart !! Whatever happened to looking out for one another.

Remember, you might need a helping hand sometime, and not have a bob in your pocket to give. personally, after reading your post I'd be inclined to leave you high and dry


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Old 23 August 2004, 18:20   #6
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If someone is stupid enough to lose two boats in a week, he deserves to pay the salvage. Might teach him a lesson!
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Old 23 August 2004, 19:31   #7
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Salvage

To each their own I guess.....

Here at our School ( like many others I suspect) I reckon that we save 5 or 6 boats in trouble per year by virtue of the fact that we are on the water so much. Our Instructors would lend assistance to many many more. We have never ever attempted to claim salvage.

We get bought a lot of pints .. and we make lots of friends.........and we also find that the people we help tend to come to us afterwards for training and indeed send a lot of other people to us too !

Just a thought !
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Old 24 August 2004, 03:34   #8
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It depends on the situation surely.

If you find a vessel adrift and not under command in open water - go for the salvage.
If you render assistance to a vessel under command and in difficulties - take the beer.
I have helped numerous people over the years, and been rescued once myself.
Thanks has ranged from nothing to very drunk. The former being increasingly common.
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Old 24 August 2004, 04:00   #9
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Before this thread gets carried away with the rights and wrongs on salvage claims (and we all have our own opinions on that), I would like to add a little flesh to the bones of this story.
On the day in question, I was also in Pwllheli "enjoying" the seasonal Welsh weather for my holiday. Due to spending all my hard earned (stop sniggering at the back!) cash on my boat I couldn't afford the usual luxury of my regular B 'n B. I was camping. OK so I was in a camper van, but I was on a campsite. The night in question was indeed very windy. When dawn broke the campsite was almost completely empty. There was only a couple of tents still standing and even the caravans had been hit hard. I had taken a walk along the beach at about 05:00, looking out across the bay and remember thinking “ Feck! I’m glad I’m not out there!”
So after a well-earned breakfast I set off down to the marina to check on my boat and catch up with Jono and company.
I caught Jono having a conversation with a gentleman, I believe who either was currently or used to be a lifeboat man, discussing the recovery of this particular yacht just before it ground it’s way onto the rocks. The gist of the conversation was that when Jono saw the boat headed for the rocks he asked this chap to come out with him to recover it. Bear in mind this conversation took place when there were four active “Mayday” calls going on and outside the Pwllheli lifeboat station. The reply was along the lines of “No, you must be mad! There is no-one in trouble and I’m not risking my neck for just a boat.”
Now, at this point, I would point out, that if Jono had asked me to crew in the conditions prevailing at the time of the recovery, my reply would have been along the same lines, but shorter and more succinct!
On recovery of the yacht, Jono asked the yard owner next door, if he could contact the boat’s owner (who turned out to be a friend of the yard owner) and put them in touch. I was in Jono’s office later that morning (scrounging a coffee as usual) and heard the call that Jono put in to the boat’s owner. It went something along the lines of:
“ Give me a call back. Make me an offer for the recovery as, although I can claim salvage, I don’t want to go down that road.”
The response from the owner? Arrive with the Police, claiming that it was theft!
Now, call me old fashioned, if you will, but I don’t think that that was the best way of coming to an amicable agreement was it? That was a move guaranteed to escalate the situation and I’m pretty sure that most of us (who aren’t Saints, that is) would have taken the hump, just as Jono did.
I should also point out that Jono and his instructors have helped out many times, to my direct knowledge, with people in trouble on the water without any hesitation or reward, other than the occasional thanks.
As for the salvage claim? Well, I’m not sure I would have made a claim. That’s if I’d had the courage (stupidity?) to go out in the first place. However if the owner had behaved to me, as he did to Jono, I’m not sure I would have been restrained enough to let him walk out of my office upright……..

Just wish I’d seen the Camel on the beach first………
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Old 24 August 2004, 04:01   #10
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It depends on the situation surely.

If you find a vessel adrift and not under command in open water - go for the salvage.
If you render assistance to a vessel under command and in difficulties - take the beer.
I have helped numerous people over the years, and been rescued once myself.
Thanks has ranged from nothing to very drunk. The former being increasingly common.

Yup! I'd agree with that... .. but I felt so sorry for the owners of the tender that I found adrift, that I just handed it back with a couple of sarcastic comments about knot tying.. I must be getting soft in my old age...
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