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Old 25 August 2004, 04:13   #31
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Interesting point, Jono. I wonder what the statistics are regarding distance from a safe haven when assistance is required by a craft. With cars, apparently most accidents happen within a couple of miles of home. I would think it might be a similar case with vessels - skipper becomes complacent about 'home waters' or 'land in sight' and therefore does not necessarily check as carefully as he might if he was going on a 'long haul'. Not suggesting that's the case with Jono G though - as an instructor I'm sure he's always well prepared. Wonder what the statistics are for boats? Anyone know the answer?

P.S. Hope you had a good holiday Jono. We missed you!
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Old 25 August 2004, 04:14   #32
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I shall write to Brittany Ferries Jono other one immediately to ensure they acknowledge your good sense and boating wisdom


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Old 25 August 2004, 04:27   #33
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Also, Jono, the point of trip was not just 'glory'; as I understand it, it had a charitable purpose too. Put that against someone putting to sea in those conditions purely for their own personal financial gain....
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Old 25 August 2004, 04:28   #34
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If you go out and pull a vessel in that was going to hit the rocks or get washed up on to a beach and no one was aboard then you are entitled to all the salvage you can claim to the full extent of the law.
If however you “help out” and tow some one in that has broken down then you may be entitled to salvage ( dependant of course as to who handed who the tow rope) but in a kind and peaceful world that we would all like to live in (wishful thinking) I would take the pint or a small amount of remuneration dependant on the distance of the tow. Here in the Isle of Man we all help one another out, if someone was in difficulty then any of us would put our ribs in to go to the rescue (and have done in the past) saving the Port st Mary Inshore boat from launching. So common sense and decency must come into play as I am sure Jono would agree, If as it seems an idiot of the first degree is trying to wreck two boats in one week then hit his insurance as hard as you can. He could be the next call to the RNLI for assistance. Jono remember the idiot in North Wales who used his road maps for navigation, was it 3 times in 1 week the Rhyl boat had to help him out ?
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Old 25 August 2004, 04:37   #35
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Also, Jono, the point of trip was not just 'glory'; as I understand it, it had a charitable purpose too. Put that against someone putting to sea in those conditions purely for their own personal financial gain....
Ok. Let's examine that statement shall we? The boat was to go to a charitable cause, yes? So the best way to get the boat to this cause in the best possible condition with the least amount of “wear and tear” would be how? Use it as a reason to “do a trip no one else has done before”, or snuggled up inside a container ship?…. Cash or Glory? What’s the big difference?

You know I’m being deliberately provocative don’t you?.. But I do love a lively and well-mannered debate….

Yes! Had a great holiday thanks... bit windy, but I think you might have guessed that

Well, the two incidents that I've witnessed recently were as close to home as you can get... both on moorings/anchor.. oh? ..and both owned by the same bloke....
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You know I’m being deliberately provocative don’t you?.. But I do love a lively and well-mannered debate….
Absolutely! Haven't enjoyed myself this much in ages - well OK I have but not on a computer!

So let's get back to the Pwhelli situation? (But I've got to go out now - buying prizes for the treasure hunt - you coming?)

Looking forward to seeing how (if?) this thread develops while I'm gone.
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Ah go off fishing in the real sea Jono. DM might lend you a few lines.

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Ah go off fishing in the real sea Jono. DM might lend you a few lines.

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I might, but statistically, fishermen at sea have THE most dangerous job.....
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yes Dm's got plenty of lines but they are all from very old jokes.

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Ah go off fishing in the real sea Jono.
Who did cast their line out first???

Really do have to go now!!!
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