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Old 14 November 2009, 14:22   #31
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40 a year mate, you can keep your gates.
Refined eh, hows Maryport these days....
shut it!
40 a year, can't be bad. Fleetwood dock has a 8meter min charge. Think it starts off at about 1400 a year. Prestons about the same and in Liverpool you need to be craping gold just to pay the launch fee.
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Old 14 November 2009, 20:38   #32
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So far I think all the comments and advice are assuming it's the wind that's the problem. From what Codders says, it's the waves that are the trouble. In those circumstances, adding springs will not stop the movement, tight lines will just tear the fittings out of the boat as well as shred the tubes on the pontoons. The pitching and rolling periods of the pontoons and a RIB are never going to be in synch., so sudden shock loads are inevitable.

In heavy weather, i.e when wave tops squirt up through the gaps in the planking, like they do here at times, pontoons are the very worst places for small boats to be. It's much safer, if you have to be afloat, on a swinging mooring.

Those stretchy rubber mooring thingys might help with the problem a bit, but I fear the real answer is to move the boat.
Spot on - its only when the tide rises over the sill the problems start. It doesn't help the finger pontoon is a bit too short either.

Walking on the pontoons is a nightmare - they give sudden lurches quite unlike the motion of a boat.

Before they added the pontoons and the sill it wasn't unheard of for well found boats to sink at their moorings.......

It is such a shame - prob one of the prettiest harbours around with great cruising areas - all for 800 a year.
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how does everyone else cope ?
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40 a year, can't be bad. Fleetwood dock has a 8meter min charge. Think it starts off at about 1400 a year. Prestons about the same and in Liverpool you need to be craping gold just to pay the launch fee.
I'm amazed about Liverpool! I will say that I did wonder that I didn't see too many ribs on the Mersey anytime I go in on the ferry.

Is it really that expensive to launch in Liverpool?
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Spot on - its only when the tide rises over the sill the problems start. It doesn't help the finger pontoon is a bit too short either.

Walking on the pontoons is a nightmare - they give sudden lurches quite unlike the motion of a boat.

Before they added the pontoons and the sill it wasn't unheard of for well found boats to sink at their moorings.......

It is such a shame - prob one of the prettiest harbours around with great cruising areas - all for 800 a year.
Yeah. They've put a floating breakwater here to shelter the pontoons from one wind direction. It's very effective. It's just a long pontoon, but with a continuous float, so the waves are stopped. It's very effective and also provides extra 'row ashore' visitors moorings, so it makes money too. Would the harbour contemplate such a thing? Mind you, I don't know how effective it would be in anything like a decent swell - this one only has just over a half mile fetch.
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Old 15 November 2009, 07:26   #36
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I'm amazed about Liverpool! I will say that I did wonder that I didn't see too many ribs on the Mersey anytime I go in on the ferry.

Is it really that expensive to launch in Liverpool?
Yeah it is, to use the slip it's 10 to launch, 10 to retrieve and to use the lock it's 6 each way. http://www.liverpoolmarina.com/marina-tariff

There is a slipway at the end of John Lennon Airport but it's for the Sailing clubs use only. That's why I travel 40 miles to fleetwood instead. Plus with my dad living in the dock I get free meals and an extra pare of hands to help launch.
That's until I can get myself a good 4X4 and launch of the beach.
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Went out this morning for a bit this morning; was supposed to be picking an outboard up from Bembridge. Was gusting 40 knots at the time. Probably the biggest swells I've ever seen at the mouth of Portsmouth harbour. Didn't stay out too long - turned for home rather quickly. Was more worried about flipping over rather than anything else, and that was in 9m RIB. Fun times
that was sensible for a charter business going out in that weather
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that was sensible for a charter business going out in that weather
Wasn't on a charter, me and a friend wanted to go to Bembridge to look at an outboard. Can't see any problem with that. As it turned out, we got of of the harbour, decided it was too rough and went back.
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didnt say you were on charter,just not sensible for a charter business to be out playing in a force 11
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Why does the fact I run a charter business have anything to do with it?
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