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Old 07 January 2011, 05:06   #141
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Surely weight, and balance can be designed into a hull. As well as being designed to cater exactly for how an engine likes to run ie. etec high and Suzukis a bit lower? And also the characteristics of the prop that you plan on using, changing attitude to suit etc. Or is it simply a case of drawing some lines on CAD and seeing how it goes...was Leeway's "purpose designed" hook a bit pointless then
Obviously it's a bit more complicated than that. Leeway to my knowledge copied a Phantom (allegedly) and stretched and altered that to suit and may have copied other boats - look on Boatmad for more on that story!

As it's a stepped hull the "attitude" of the boat is pretty much fixed and as such will suit both inboard and outboard - you can fit an outboard at any height you like. Designers would be amazing if they could design a hull for a specific prop for every occasion - I really don't understand what you're getting at or am I not making myself clear?

Why don't you have a look at some other designs and see how many different engines and drives they have been powered by - successfully - and that will give you your answer!
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Old 07 January 2011, 07:49   #142
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Not sure if the Brass Monkey is happening now - it seems it may be cancelled?

Progress has been a bit slow recently with Phantom 19 building and the holidays - we do have a tubed version planned and we now have the graphics for the outboard version - see photos! Whilst we haven't done any graphics, a tubed outboard version will also be available
I'll take the middle one bugger the tubes
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Old 07 January 2011, 08:14   #143
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Are you sure you wouldn't like a removable roof with that Sir?
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Old 07 January 2011, 11:11   #144
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Are you sure you wouldn't like a removable roof with that Sir?
I hope not - then he'd have to wear his baseball cap, which keeps flying off and hitting me in the chops
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Old 07 January 2011, 15:21   #145
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Progress has been a bit slow recently with Phantom 19 building
Great build thread and very interesting/good looking boat Your 34', thanks for shearing. Are You building the Phantom for racing or for leisure? Is the 19 hull(not so common?) a extended 18 or a "short" 20 or is it a totally genuine design? Like the shape of the bow http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/PAA17363


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Great build thread and very interesting/good looking boat Your 34', thanks for shearing. Are You building the Phantom for racing or for leisure? Is the 19 hull(not so common?) a extended 18 or a "short" 20 or is it a totally genuine design? Like the shape of the bow http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/PAA17363


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The Phantoms are for racing use although once you've bought one you can do what you want with it - the only problem is they have no CE mark.

The design is an original Phantom / Baker design developed with multi National Champion Nick Barsch from the very successful 18 who owns the moulds now - we make them for him.
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the only problem is they have no CE mark.
Is that legal in the UK? In my line of work everything has to be CE marked - but it does have electrikery flowing through it!
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Is that legal in the UK? In my line of work everything has to be CE marked - but it does have electrikery flowing through it!
Yep, that's fine, race, homebuild and prototype craft are exempt!
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The design is an original Phantom / Baker design developed with multi National Champion Nick Barsch from the very successful 18 who owns the moulds now - we make them for him.
Thanks. What is the LOA of the 19? In Scandinavia there is a popular offshore class, V-150 (Z) mono-hull, LOA min 570 cm, standard engines up to max 150 hp(no blueprinting or tuning but nose-cone and prop is free).

Noted that a few Pahantom's also in the series but they have been 20 and 21. Reckon a 19 would be faster whit that HP?

The boats do insane speeds for the HP, fastest about 67 knots at race weight 840 kg. Originally was intended as a entry level class but look pretty pro now.

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As Dirk said so long as it's for racing only then it's fine.

570cm is fine, if anything it's well over 19' from memory - I think the OCR boats are running about 64mph with Yamaha 130hp V4 motors but that is without nose cones etc. I would imagine with that sort of motor they would be a lot faster than the 20 or 21, they are certainly faster in a straight line than the 18 and probably the newest of the Baker designs.
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