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Old 28 February 2006, 04:40   #11
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Cheers boys, found phoenix phoenix316.com and I'll have a word with KAB
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Old 28 February 2006, 07:58   #12
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RIB Seats

This one is specifically for those that operate Rescue Craft. Our SR 5.4 had a 3 man console seat, until this winter, when we took a hefty boot to the rotten back half that had been added by previous owner (open throttles and 3rd crew falls backwards with backrest!). The current situation is that it can only accomodate two very friendly people on the seat, otherwise only one.

It has been voiced that as this is our primary rescue craft for our dinghy sailing events, it should be able to take helm and crew on console, in case of extreme weather. This is not my opinion however, as I feel any crew should be capable of sitting on sponson and holding tube+backrest, provifding ample security. We operate on sheltered water just west of Edinburgh, so we tend not to get big waves, except around the island. As a result, someone wants to add 6" to back of seat to allow 2 to sit. I don't want this, as it's another weak point (our boats get well abused), and it will take away valuable deck space. The other issue is that some of our sailing members are Sailibility, and so we need to ensure that they can easily be transported too. All the other rescue boats I have been in have a single jocky seat.

Any views from those that operate rescue boats would be appreciated, on the 1 or 2 seat choice... (I hope this still counts as on-topic).

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Old 28 February 2006, 08:28   #13
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Nick, for years divers have sat on tubes travelling long distances to dive sites and I don't remember ever coming home with fewer divers than we set out with. The BSAC make it quite clear the Coxwain is in charge of the dive boat, so if you are told to sit on the floor thats what you do, no questions, just do it. I would expect the same if I had just rescued a dinghy crew, they go were the coxwain tells them, on the tubes or on the floor if its rough. Some hand holds on the tubes would be sensible. The other thought about deck space is how are you going to treat a posiible casuaulty in a small rib if the boat has a 3 man console. Have you go the room to lay a casualty flat and carry out AV and CC? would the extra deck space be helpful, something for the club to think about perhaps.

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Old 28 February 2006, 08:36   #14
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It has been voiced that as this is our primary rescue craft for our dinghy sailing events, it should be able to take helm and crew on console, in case of extreme weather. This is not my opinion however, as I feel any crew should be capable of sitting on sponson and holding tube+backrest, provifding ample security. We operate on sheltered water just west of Edinburgh, so we tend not to get big waves, except around the island. As a result, someone wants to add 6" to back of seat to allow 2 to sit. I don't want this, as it's another weak point (our boats get well abused), and it will take away valuable deck space. The other issue is that some of our sailing members are Sailibility, and so we need to ensure that they can easily be transported too. All the other rescue boats I have been in have a single jocky seat.

Any views from those that operate rescue boats would be appreciated, on the 1 or 2 seat choice... (I hope this still counts as on-topic).
Nick,

I'm very much in favour of having sufficient jockey seating for 2 on safety boats. Indeed, when I arranged the purchase of Portsmouth Universities Rib (only a little 4.8m Ribcraft) I specified a double jockey with individual backrests.

My reasons are as follows:

1./ You Don't actually loose that much space. Our rib is only 4.8m, yet we still have ample room to transport racing marks, racing crews to their boats etc.

2./ Even if your crew can hold on to secure points whilst sitting on the sponsons (which most can) do you really want them to? It means the helm has to spend more time concentrating on not throwing the crew out in rough weather, and less time concenctrating on positioning and race awareness.

3./ Comfort. You wat your safety boat crews to be as fighting fit as possible, especially in bad weather. Putting them on jockeys will help that a lot, as they won't be as flaked out responding to a capsize/mob etc.

4./ Multitasking. Secure on a jockey, your crew is able to operate a radio, write down tallies, and maintain better all round lookout than when sitting on a sponson holding on for dear life trying to avoid spray.

5./ Versatility. What happens when the boat isn't a safety boat? For example, using it as a photo boat, using it to transfer crews to dinghies/yachts. Then, you'll be glad of the extra seating!

6./ Storage. 1 more jockey, 1 more storage locker (generally).

7./ Sailability. Depending on the disability, it could well be preferable to have a less abled person sitting on a jockey seat. The RYA Sailabiliy dept would be very pleased to offer more advice on this. sailability@rya.org.uk.

Why not consider the system some people have, where you have a quick release jockey seat?
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Old 28 February 2006, 08:40   #15
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The other thought about deck space is how are you going to treat a posiible casuaulty in a small rib if the boat has a 3 man console. Have you go the room to lay a casualty flat and carry out AV and CC? would the extra deck space be helpful, something for the club to think about perhaps.
What about a spinal injury? If they're unconscious and you want to get them into the recovery position? The list could go on, and the net conclusion would be to make every safety boat a 7m ish rib with 2 jockeys side by side, and a huge flat padded area for crews/divers/first aid or similar.

The searider goes some way as a by product to helping this problem - the console offset for prop torque (ack Scary Des) has the by product of giving slightly more room on one side, so that laying down a casualty is possible.

I'd rather have my safety boat crew secure and ready to respond, and a fast enough safety boat that you can get any casualty back to shore/committee boat asap. First Aid in a small open boat is not the most practical of undertakings, no matter how much space you try and give yourself.
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Old 02 March 2006, 10:08   #16
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Hi Kernow
I poped into KAB Metal works this morning and had a chat with Keith, he said that a SS back reast made in 1" tube would be approx. 100.

If your intrasted an a double A Frame with room for Nav lights VHF etc would be approx 500-600.

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