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Old 12 March 2008, 13:08   #1
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B&&&ger

Had a call from the Humber factory on my hull today, delayed!
I wouldn't mind so much as I am not particular hurry to pick it up as I am really busy till the end of the month but am particularly peed off on the explanation.
The original delivery date was 10 march but I allowed till 20 march before organising pickup, turns out the hull came out the mould today (12th) and there is a problem so it won't be ready. Slightly peed off as it couldn't be explained that if the boat was on schedule the hull was moulded two days after the planned completion date. My advised collection date had obviously became the new completion date and thr problem has scuppered that!
Not a happy chap as I will lose two rooms booked and paid for and I had arranged cover etc for work to go, I wouldn't even have minded as much but I did say I could wait till April because of the hassles involved in planning ahead for pickup due to distance and was assured it would be ready on the 10th, then added another week and a half for good measure.
Again I wouldn't mind but they did the same to me 5 years ago buying my last one.
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Old 12 March 2008, 13:42   #2
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we all tend to forget that this rib thing is a cottage industry,
as any body had a new boat delivered on the day it was promised
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Old 12 March 2008, 13:59   #3
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we all tend to forget that this rib thing is a cottage industry,
as any body had a new boat delivered on the day it was promised
My humber 5.5 was early from PBS , my thunderbolt was on time from Ceasar , my Ribcraft was months late !!!!

Some of these cottages are getting big now
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Old 12 March 2008, 14:03   #4
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Cottage industry!!!!!!!!

You must be kidding! Have you been to Yeovil revently!
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Old 12 March 2008, 14:37   #5
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Hi, our boat was on time and during a busy period (LBS) only delay was one hour for the prop to arrive from Suzuki. Not a major hassle as by the time we looked over the boat, signed paperwork and had a coffee etc it was unpacked fitted and boat out for us to inspect the motor running.

At the price of a new boat i would expect it to be on time without a doubt!
As a gesture of good will i would have expected my accomodation to be covered by supplier.

Best of Luck and hope it all works out for you Bruce
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I think the thing that is annoying me the most is that after being told a couple of weeks ago that all was on schedule for the hull being finished on the 10th and informing them that I was picking up on the 20th, is that they have so obviously just moved the completeion date to the 20th with this result.
The reason I picked the 20th is so that any niggles could be sorted between the planned completion date and the pick up date despite being told all along till today that all was OK in the schedule.
Yeah, right. That why they were only taking the hull from the mould two days after "the schedule" stated it should be finished!
As I said, there is no rush to pick up but I need to know in advance as it is a three day return trip to pick up the hull and the trailer and such like are now sitting waiting as well at De Graaf.
Humber is not exactly a "cottage" industry and should know better. it isn't even as if they are putting the boat together, it is simply a hull and console moulding supplied loose.
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Old 12 March 2008, 16:40   #7
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At the price of a new boat i would expect it to be on time without a doubt!
As a gesture of good will i would have expected my accomodation to be covered by supplier.
Unforunately its like buying a newbuild house, by the time they deliver late you have already made the buying descision and are quite unlikely to walk away over a "short" delay (you aren't going to find an alternative in the meantime), on top of which they probably have a deposit from you (which won't be refunded just because they are late). And if the worst does happen and you do walk away they are not going to be too bothered as there are plenty of other people who will quite happily buy it.

I am not sugesting that they are consciously poor at customer service - its just that they don't need to be particularly good at it.

In Bruce's case he sounds like he trying to get the boat as cheeply as possible (no criticism there) but when Humber do get a resource planning/production problem its only natural that the customer who is buying the boat, engine, trailer etc package from them and where they are making a bigger profit (and a much more bespoke boat may be harder to pass on to another customer if he walks away) gets priority.
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Old 12 March 2008, 17:28   #8
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Unforunately its like buying a newbuild house,

I am not sugesting that they are consciously poor at customer service - its just that they don't need to be particularly good at it.
Polwart i agree to a certain extent however, with so many other manufacturers and newer designs there is bound to be increased competition.

For a long established manufacturer selling an, dare i say it, older design of hull, the level of service should be exceptionally high IMO.

The experience that Bruce has had is, in my opinion, unacceptable no matter how you 'dress it up.'

Sure its too late in the deal for Bruce to apply any leaverage to speed the process up and as i suspect many have to 'grin and bear it'.

Future buyers will be enlightened by Bruce's experience and are better educated than ever before so they have damaged their reputation. How long can a company go on in such a manner .....

Guess why we went for an xs ... a company trying to establish a good reputation with a newer product pretty much ensured good service.

My brother inlaw (like i would have been 5 or 10 years ago) was sold on getting a humber but he to is now looking at other manufacturers.
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It may seem odd but the delay for the sake of it is unimportant, in fact I did suggest that delivery in April would actually be better for my personally but was told production schedules meant it would be ready 10th march and I had to pick up within two weeks or be charged rental. My pickup date was then planned and accepted by Humber as two weeks after the planned completion date. unfortunately they have obviously decided to change the completion date to the date I was picking up to allow for problems, then had a problem!
Cheapness isn't really the main driver here, I bought a brand new motor because I could buy it much cheaper and set it up myself, specified lots of parts that I am paying to be fitted to be supplied unfitted so I can set up as I wish and bought a de Graaff trailer instead of a Bramber as I think Brambers are rubbish and overpriced.
My gripe really is that I did say I couldn't just turn up when they said it was ready and needed some warning and was still getting letters up to two days ago saying all was well.
This hull is costing 8 thousand pounds, it ain't cheap by any means.
I now have two nights accomodation that can't be refunded due to the late hour of cancellation, a week off with cover from alsorts arranged due to the time of year and all sorts of other arrangements made to go down on Tuesday to collect with Humber now telling me that this isn't there fault despite assuring me up till two days ago all was well.
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I think generally speaking, the levels of customer service in the retail side of the marine industry are appaling.

I have had bad service from rib manufacturers and a heap of online chandlers. The biggest let down of all of them is time, only 3 weeks ago i ordered some new jackets and trousers and was told delivery was within 3 days of ordering. 5 days later i emailed to ask where my stuff was to be told that it hadn't been dispatched. No apology was even offered. My business will go elsewhere now. I get better service from ebay sellers!!!!

I won't go into the list of issues with Ribcraft as I am bored to tears of it all, but for the money i spent, I couldn't believe the lack of aftersales care and still find it astounding to this day.

I have now bought a new Humber from ian sharlott and jono garton who are on here (PPS). They have done everything they can to get my order correct, it was delivered early and exactly to specification. They were helpful beyond what I expected for a boat half the cost of my ribcraft and i recieved in excess of twice the service. It is a real shame that for a boat as well designed and built that this side of the business lets it all down. As company's grow, they lose sight of what made them successful in the earlier days when they did value each and every customer.

The rest of the industry need to wake up to the fact that customer service does matter, customers will walk away from companies who treat them like cr@p and their business will suffer in the long term.

I am sure like there are company's whose customer service is poor, there are some that are good. I know where my money is going in future.

Off my soapbox now and well done ian and jono!!
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