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Old 12 March 2008, 18:47   #11
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Apart from the feel good factor of owning something nobody else has had the chance to play with, what does everybody think are the advantages of buying brand new?
Warranty is one I suppose.

I've never been in a position to own either brand new, but feel I get a lot more boat or car for my money when buying used. Even with a little added to the budget to make some changes.

Obviously somebody has to buy new in the first place to feed the used market.

Don't want to upset anyone, but don't understand why if one had a budget of say 20 or 25K, you'd buy a new 5M RIB when a 2 or 3 year old 6.5M could be yours for the same money. I'd rather have the bigger boat.

And if you want the smaller boat, then why spend the money.

I feel even stronger about buying a new car, and taking a big hit on depreciation, when 1 year old ex-company vehicles are such good value for money.

Plus of course in most cases you walk in the Boatyard/showroom and could drive it away if you have the cash already arranged

As mentioned, don't want to upset, just interested in others views on the subject.

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Old 12 March 2008, 19:00   #12
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Nasher..

Too late, you've upset me. You're absolutely correct - someone has to take a hit on new kit, otherwise there will be no bargains to be had. Shush! I would have had to save for six years to buy my boat if new!

Still with the Shush already!
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Old 12 March 2008, 19:08   #13
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Apart from the feel good factor of owning something nobody else has had the chance to play with, what does everybody think are the advantages of buying brand new?
Warranty is one I suppose.

I've never been in a position to own either brand new, but feel I get a lot more boat or car for my money when buying used. Even with a little added to the budget to make some changes.

Obviously somebody has to buy new in the first place to feed the used market.

Don't want to upset anyone, but don't understand why if one had a budget of say 20 or 25K, you'd buy a new 5M RIB when a 2 or 3 year old 6.5M could be yours for the same money. I'd rather have the bigger boat.

And if you want the smaller boat, then why spend the money.

I feel even stronger about buying a new car, and taking a big hit on depreciation, when 1 year old ex-company vehicles are such good value for money.

Plus of course in most cases you walk in the Boatyard/showroom and could drive it away if you have the cash already arranged

As mentioned, don't want to upset, just interested in others views on the subject.

Nasher.
Well when it comes to cars, I'll never buy new... You might as well take the money out of your pocket and set fire to it if you do.

Top end motors with all the gadgets loose soooo much, and after a few thousand miles you can pick up some top marques with many... many thousands off list - its insane .. and they are only just run in if that !
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Old 12 March 2008, 19:16   #14
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don't understand why if one had a budget of say 20 or 25K, you'd buy a new 5M RIB when a 2 or 3 year old 6.5M could be yours for the same money. I'd rather have the bigger boat.

And if you want the smaller boat, then why spend the money.
That assumes there are plenty of peole buying the type of boat, engine combination you are interested in with the seat layout etc. and then selling them on in good nick; otherwise you have to wait till you find something the "one" or compromise on something that suits.

In general I would agree with you but I bought smaller and new (not in this league though!) as anything in my budget that was new seemed to be pretty trashed and having spent more time fixing my previous wooden boat than sailing it I wanted to get free of the maintainece crap.
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Old 12 March 2008, 19:18   #15
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I have never and never will buy a car less than three years old. The difference between a car and a RIB though is, while cars of just about any shape or size are available off the shelf so to speak, this is not true on RIBs. I would only buy a new boat as I have specific ideas on how I want it built and laid out and it is extrmely unlikely anyone else would have the same ideas! Remeber you can walk into most car dealerships and specify car type, colour, engine equipment level etc etc and they can ship that exact car up and you can have it next week!
I have purchased two new RIBs and both have been bought as bare hulls where I have fitted them out from motor to console myself. This way I get exactly what I want and know the workmanship and have chosen every screw and gadget personally. It helps that I am an engineer or sorts to trade so can do it quite easily.
It also is quite satisfying but with the extra parts and better quality components it really doesn't work out any cheaper than having it done for you.
Personal choice really but I didn't regret it with the last one and won't probably with this one, when i get it!
I think I could easily get a 6.5m rib for the cash you are talking about though, my 5.8 with new trailer, motor and lots of bits right up to a 4 speaker stereo CD player will still cost less than 18K and thats skimping on nothing and including bits like a 7" colour plotter, hydraulic steering and Icom VHF!
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Old 12 March 2008, 19:28   #16
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Apart from the feel good factor of owning something nobody else has had the chance to play with, what does everybody think are the advantages of buying brand new?
Warranty is one I suppose.

I've never been in a position to own either brand new, but feel I get a lot more boat or car for my money when buying used. Even with a little added to the budget to make some changes.

Obviously somebody has to buy new in the first place to feed the used market.

Don't want to upset anyone, but don't understand why if one had a budget of say 20 or 25K, you'd buy a new 5M RIB when a 2 or 3 year old 6.5M could be yours for the same money. I'd rather have the bigger boat.

And if you want the smaller boat, then why spend the money.

I feel even stronger about buying a new car, and taking a big hit on depreciation, when 1 year old ex-company vehicles are such good value for money.

Plus of course in most cases you walk in the Boatyard/showroom and could drive it away if you have the cash already arranged

As mentioned, don't want to upset, just interested in others views on the subject.

Nasher.
For me, the size of what i bought was dictated by the size my car can tow, and i didn't want to change car. Due to being a wheelchair user, i require more customisation of the boat to make it useable by me. It is easier to do this on a new boat with a blank canvas.

I like the peace of mind a warranty offers, and knowing the boat and engine have not been thrashed to death or not maintained.

I'd always like to think new stuff is more reliable but it's certainly not always the case.

On both the car and boat front, there is VAT exemptions available to "disabled people" for both, dependent on meeting certain criteria (cars are straight forward - hand controls qualify on their own, boats are more complicated) which help reduce the sting of buying new and the depreciation.

However, if my circumstances were different, i'd buy 12 months old every time i think, unless i had sufficient funds that it didn't really matter.
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Interesting, obviously everybodys situation is different, and Colin yours is quite specific.

My lack of cash is a big issue, but my way I run a 6.5M boat and 200HP EFI for very little.

I suppose in my case I also really, really, enjoy the problem solving, design stage, and hands on re-building and modifying to suit my needs bit of buying a used boat, and would have nothing to play with if I spec'd and payed for a boat to be built exactly to my needs.
That probably plays a huge part in my take on it.

I'm also very impatient, and never believe that somebody has done a job as well as I would have done, and hence will not be satisfied with, or pay somebody to do a job I know I can do myself.

I can understand the new hull-self fit out concept, and would probably do it that way myself with the proverbial lottery win.
That way you get the enjoyment of the build, the spec you want, and the benifit of working with new, clean, materials.

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Old 12 March 2008, 20:10   #18
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i've always liked the idea of a self fit out, but the logistics of me doing it make it impossible in reality. On a similar theme, i've always wanted to build a kit car, but the physical space to move a wheelchair round a car chassis or body mean i'd need a warehouse!! I have to pull my quad bike out the garage before i can get alongside it to get onto it.

I worked for a company who designed and made wheelchairs before moving down here, which i really enjoyed, especially spec'ing the one off's.

I now get heavily involved with any boat i buy in terms of seating, right down to the specific details so i can use it easily. If you look on the stolen thread (and dont get me started on that!!) you'll see my custom front seats which i specc'd and ian/jono got made for me.
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Couldn't agree more Nasher. Especially with cars let some other mug pay for the depreciation. It's different if it's on lease - then the cars that depreciate the least are the best bargains.

An Audi A8 is a classic example - a great car but anyone who buys one new would have to have their heads examined. From 65,000 to about 20,000 in 3 years!!! New it's a crap buy - 2nd hand it's prob the most car you will get for your money.

It's pretty much the same with boats. A Princess V45 will set you back about 320,000 - the same money will get you an older Sunseeker Predator 63 with engines that have only done about 200 hrs.

As regards newer is better for reliability I am not so sure any more. Most new things have a few teething troubles - there are so many systems on boats it's often the case that all the faults will have been ironed out in time for the next owner!!!

I see many people these days buying brand new sailing boats from people like Jeannau and Bavaria etc. For the same money I would much rather an older classic that has proved itself around the world and is of far more robust construction.

I would also love to do my own fit out - i was thinking of building an Ultima but it looks like the Murphy Moose will win the day!!!
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Yes, sorry to hear about about the loss of the engines, especially from such a special RIB.

You have my respect for doing everything you do in circumstances some of us would give up in.

We should meet up for a beer when I'm down for a week in August.
I'm going to try organising a cruise, and maybe a Solent style Beer and Banter in Dartmouth for anyone who fancies turning up.

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