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Old 06 June 2012, 17:43   #61
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Old 06 June 2012, 17:44   #62
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"I agree, I wouldn't want to pay money for a good hull and engine only for it to handle like a rice pudding"

In which case you'd have good grounds to pull out of the sale and have your deposit returned.
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Old 06 June 2012, 17:49   #63
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hp, i'm with you on this one, there are plenty of good ribs out there, if you don't get the right vibes let your feet do the talking n jus walk away from it, lifes too short to have the hassle
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I'm surprised that my mate jambo has not come in on this one Tony, he is either away on hols or saving something big for you later
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Old 06 June 2012, 18:00   #65
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I'm surprised that my mate jambo has not come in on this one Tony, he is either away on hols or saving something big for you later
Well if my little cockup keeps you and all the sweaty socks amused who gives bring it on
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I think they are called midges and there are no survivors well .. the pub usually ends up as a safe haven
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"I agree, I wouldn't want to pay money for a good hull and engine only for it to handle like a rice pudding"

In which case you'd have good grounds to pull out of the sale and have your deposit returned.
Then Searider you should definitely buy your next rib from a reputable broker. If we are any good as brokers, then we should know our products and be able to advise customers. If someone is looking at their first rib it is particularly important to guide them through what they ought to consider, so they don't end up expecting comfort and durability from a "rice pudding".

Conducting a sea trial before someone is interested enough to at least place a "returnable" deposit has happened (one has to be flexible), but is not the norm. If we were selling your boat for you and you knew that anyone could turn up and request a go in your boat without making any commitment to move the sales process forward - would you be happy? I wouldn't!

Finally, brokers should make their customers (both sellers and purchasers) feel confident and that is greatly helped by having a fair and well understood sales process. Making it up as you go along leaves people feeling like HP did in the OP.

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Hi Steve

I agree - I was quoting another poster above my comment.

Buying a boat is such a personal process you have to be able to get on with the broker or vendor.

As a surveyor I've been involved with several sales that didn't proceed because the boats didn't perform or handled very strangely. One where it chime walked above 16 knots (33 foot flybridge cruiser) and another where the owner had claimed it would do 40 knots and it struggled to make 35.

In the first case the boat was just a bit odd and the broker couldn't have known about the poor handling in the second the vendor was a bit economic with his information.

Would be better for the Broker to know the answers before the expense of survey, launch and sea trial!

Plenty of good brokers out there - and they always attract the best boats from the best sellers too.

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Duncan - Steve - others,

agree !! my view ( I am a shipbroker/freightbroker and not a yachtbroker, so this may work differently ) :

What a good broker does is 'adding value' to the (potential) deal and facilitating his customer(-s). In the modern world of electronics / internet, it is fairly easy to find out who is behind any brokers' offering, so protecting your source/contacts as a broker is pointless.
Adding value is done by adding effort, experience and time and suprisingly there are some @#$ out there! With regards to the 'going behind somebodies back' ethical issues i think a fair effort is worth a fair commission. If there is no effort, what is the point.......

Due to the present economical situation, I think it is a matter of time that the lazy farts (have encountered a few as well yes) will disappear to some extend; the market itself is a good filter in that respect. It is a shame that bad experiences put such a stamp on the profession, there are for sure a few good ones i think??

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I agree - I was quoting another poster above my comment.

Buying a boat is such a personal process you have to be able to get on with the broker or vendor.

As a surveyor I've been involved with several sales that didn't proceed because the boats didn't perform or handled very strangely. One where it chime walked above 16 knots (33 foot flybridge cruiser) and another where the owner had claimed it would do 40 knots and it struggled to make 35.

In the first case the boat was just a bit odd and the broker couldn't have known about the poor handling in the second the vendor was a bit economic with his information.

Would be better for the Broker to know the answers before the expense of survey, launch and sea trial!

Plenty of good brokers out there - and they always attract the best boats from the best sellers too.

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Jono I would ask you don't send this person the owners details as I don't want him bothered by this character. Given we sold the owners 170k boat last year I would say he would trust our views.
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