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Old 18 July 2010, 11:34   #41
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i could look at another cabin boat or a full blown powerboat i guess but i want a RIB....well i did anyway. my enthusiasm has dwindled away and getting worse for getting one due to apparent lack of options that suit me or ones that are maybe not upto the job.

when i say slow down i wasn't meaning to a crawl, obviously would need to adjust the trim/power to suit the conditions given. my lack of rib knowledge showing there and the learning curve i'm on with it. that said it won't be the first time i've had to sit at 6/7 knots to get home on my old boat even though it could do about 30 knots.

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Old 18 July 2010, 13:22   #42
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If you're only going to be using it for pottering about, I'd go and sea trial the XS and make your own mind up on the seating. Personally I'll always go for jockeys over benches, but it's a personal choice. Jockeys are far better in the rough stuff.
Besides, at that price with a bit of haggling you could change from a bench to jockeys if you don't like the bench and still be under budget.
I've been trying to work out what boat you were talking about. I think I worked it out - its the first link to B&O you posted? Its not an XS its a Rib-X, and its not a simple "bench" seat - its actually a bolster/leaning post (with a bench underneath). Some people prefer these even to jockies. Or am I looking at completely the wrong boat? If it is only 70 miles away I'd be jumping in the car to try it in person - for the sort of boating you've described jockies aren't essential anyway and this might have a nice option for standing/leaning in the rough or at speed, and sitting at anchor or just plodding along.

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third one is the same make as the one with rotten decks which i never got and seems to be a general problem with those. also has a 2 stroke outboard.
No you were looking at a Porters, this is a Tohatsu. (I wouldn't even assume all porters have a deck problem - some may never have developed it and others may have been fixed). The Tohatsu (and I think the Solents, and maybe a few others) share the same running surface (i.e. outside of the hull) but were made in different factories so it would be wrong to tar them all with the same brush.

Oh, and why no 2-stroke?
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Old 18 July 2010, 13:47   #43
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I've been trying to work out what boat you were talking about. I think I worked it out - its the first link to B&O you posted? Its not an XS its a Rib-X, and its not a simple "bench" seat - its actually a bolster/leaning post (with a bench underneath). Some people prefer these even to jockies. Or am I looking at completely the wrong boat? If it is only 70 miles away I'd be jumping in the car to try it in person - for the sort of boating you've described jockies aren't essential anyway and this might have a nice option for standing/leaning in the rough or at speed, and sitting at anchor or just plodding along.


No you were looking at a Porters, this is a Tohatsu. (I wouldn't even assume all porters have a deck problem - some may never have developed it and others may have been fixed). The Tohatsu (and I think the Solents, and maybe a few others) share the same running surface (i.e. outside of the hull) but were made in different factories so it would be wrong to tar them all with the same brush.

Oh, and why no 2-stroke?
i don't like the look of the rib-x now. i'm sure it's a very nice boat but i prefer the look of the avon just now.

regardless what the tohatsu is-it's too big at that size. apologies on tohatsu being different.

why no 2 stroke? i don't want one is the simple answer. 2/4 stroke is another argument which i'm sure will bring just as much opinions on as to what rib i should get...lol. one for another day.

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why no 2 stroke? i don't want one is the simple answer.
Does your dislike of 2-strokes include Optis?


http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/view/BEM533
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i seen this a couple of weeks ago i'm sure along with this at the same place-

http://bembridge.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/BEM529

that is more appealing to me in terms of the seating etc but what are these ribs like?

what are these optimax outboards like and fuel consumption compared to a modern 4 stroke?

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what are these optimax outboards like and fuel consumption compared to a modern 4 stroke?
Noisy at idle, very responsive, torquey and roughly equivalent fuel consumption to a 4-stroke (but they do also use oil). Large grin factor when they're singing.
Smartcraft instrumentation included with the Optis is good.
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I've been trying to work out what boat you were talking about. I think I worked it out - its the first link to B&O you posted? Its not an XS its a Rib-X,

Yep, it was the X that confused me The Portland/Portsmouth slip I guess.

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Noisy at idle, very responsive, torquey and roughly equivalent fuel consumption to a 4-stroke (but they do also use oil). Large grin factor when they're singing.
Smartcraft instrumentation included with the Optis is good.
Bear in mind though that you'll have to pay for oil changes on a 4 stroke and servicing is a bit more involved. opti/DFI oil is expensive, but they don't use much.

Personally I love them, for all the reasons DHD just said. Unfortunately the Opti 90 is just too darn heavy for my boat or I'd have one on there.
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Cracking was along the outer spray rails approx half way back IIRC
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i will check the spray rails carefully along with the usual other suspects. it should be obvious on a 120hr boat i'd have thought. if it was going to be an issue i assume it would be there already.

in mean time still looking and keeping options open.

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Wow, all this "can / can't handle whatever" discussion.

Thing is that as we all know, a sea state that is hell in a bucket if you are in an SR4 will be a smooth slide in something bigger. Up the wave size and the big boat gets all slammy & 'orrible but the SR4 suddenly is having a fun trip back comfortably motoring up & dowm the big waves that have suddenly become the nightmare fo the bigger boat.

Only in dead flat water were all rides equally good.

As has been said, take it for a spin. Your dream boat is going to be the next nutter's worst nightmare & vice versa.


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