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Old 13 January 2002, 17:48   #1
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At last - my own RIB

Hi folks,

After a long search, I have just become the proud owner of my first RIB (details left – alright it’s not the biggest in the world but everyone has to start somewhere!!) and am now looking forward to enjoying the sport as much as the rest of the forum members appear to do.

I did my RYA Powerboat 1, 2 & Advanced last year and now hope to put the teaching into practice. (I've already bought the dry-suit and practiced standing under a cold shower tearing up pound notes!!) However, there are a couple of points I would like advice on:

1. Has anyone have any suggestions as to a minimum tool kit to be carried – I’ve got my own list which looks like it would be enough to repair the QE2 – also any suggestions for storage of said kit?

2. My insurance co. require that the o/b is fitted with a security device – any recommendations/one to avoid?

3. Any ideas as to the possible fuel consumption of a Mariner 60 ELPTO 2T driven (hopefully) reasonably efficiently at about 25kn? I know this is like asking “how long is a piece of string” but a rough idea would suffice until I get down to finding out the hard way.

That’s all for now but I’m sure, like Keith, other questions will arise before too long.

Thanks in advance for any help

Peter(now a very happy bunny) T
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Old 14 January 2002, 02:03   #2
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Congratulations Peter and very best of luck with the new Rib, it sounds great.

"...(alright it’s not the biggest in the world but everyone has to start somewhere!!)"

You know what we chaps say Peter - 'It's not the size that counts, it's what you do with it that matters.'

As you know I've got just about the smallest one on RibNet, but I can tell you, I have a trememdous amount of fun with it.

Have you been out in your new boat yet? What have you got planned?

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Old 14 January 2002, 08:22   #3
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Hi Peter,

Congrats and welcome to the rubbery world of ribbing! The 4.8m Ribcraft is an excellent boat as its RB4 exploits testify!

In terms of tool kit I am somewhat of a minimalist - basic spanners, screwdrivers, pliers, gaffer tape etc etc. Why? Well realistically how much engine/boat repair are you going to be able to do, stopped in a seaway on a small boat? How much technical knowledge do you have? We've got a very sophisiticated optimax fuel injected outboard which basically comes under the heading of "no user servicable parts!" As you are space constrained I think the minimalist approach is doubly important. As far as engine spares are concerned - plugs, wd40, fuses etc. Keep it all in a plastic icecream tub or perhaps a flarebox to be waterproof.

Can't help on antitheft device but there are several on the market.

Fuel consumption - rule on thumb on 2 strokes is 9 gallons per hour per hundred hp at Wide Open Throttle (full throttle). That would give you something in the order of 5gph. Maybe a tad less. So run efficiently at 3/4 throttle perhaps 3gph. Best thing is to suck it and see. If you are running 5 gallon tanks run one dry and see how long it takes. (whilst carrying another of course!)

Finally, join BIBOA. You know it makes sense!

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Old 14 January 2002, 08:56   #4
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Hi Peter,
Finaly got my boat on Saturday, so am in the same situation as you!

As far as tools go, when I have been teaching in Scout boats, I generally have a Gerber multi-tool ( the one with pliers, screwdriver, knife etc on it) as part of my personal kit - usually in bouyancy aid pocket and as part of the boats kit have spare plugs, plug spanner, wd40 and a couple more screwdrivers. Not really worth carring much more as there is not a hell of a lot you can do afloat and the chances are, whatever tools you have aboard wil end up rusty!
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Old 14 January 2002, 10:37   #5
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Hi Peter,

Hope you have as mainy years of fun as I have had. I've owned a 4.8/Mariner 60 for 5 years and its still going well.

Re: Toolkit - Best advice here is try to think of some of the things that may go wrong or come loose! Have the right size spanners for the engine mounts, a-frame, steering arm, spark plugs etc.
I got a cheapish socket set from Argos (thanks to the BP premiercard ) and a couple of adjustables too.
Spare fuses, bulbs are more than useful.
At the end of the day, as already mentioned by others, the list could be endless but a good trial for the on boat toolkit is to try using it when your ashore to do some maintenence etc. You'll soon find out whats worth having and whats not.
Tupperware boxs are probably the cheapest to store things in. Solent plastics, who are usually at Ribex, sell allsorts of waterproof boxes that may be useful..

Re: Security device.. I got mine from Ribcraft, it looks like an extra engine mounting bolt. Give them a ring as I sure they will know as I've forgotten the name of it!!.

Re: Fuel consumption.. From experience, I always work out fuel requires for trips based on 1 litre per Nautical Mile. That leaves a bit of spare in the tank too. Optimum cruising speed is around 18 knots (approx 3500 rpm) assuming you have the standard factor fit prop.

Hope this helps and wish you many happy hours of fun..

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Old 14 January 2002, 11:40   #6
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congrats

I too have just recently purchased first RIB, having had range of speedboats / cuddy cabin over the last 10 years.

Despite cold ventured out yesterday for first time & first impressions were excellent, however only pottered around Portsmouth harbour as had 6 year old son on board.

Suggest keep tools to a minimum: Sparkplug spanner, spare prop & tool, something to disconnect battery in a hurry if you havn't got a cut-out switch. Modern multitools are usefull which include a number of useful tools within one.

Far more valuable are : Sea Anchor / Anchor, flares, VHF or mobile with pre stored local coastguard station.

Sea Start looks usefull ?

As you are based in Leatherhead where will you be launching ?
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Old 14 January 2002, 11:40   #7
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Hi,
Just found engine lock on-line: http://www.discount-towing.co.uk/shop/
Then Marine --> Boat Accessories. Shows the "Fulton Outboard Motor Lock"
Also have a neat fuel line lock to secure onto engine.
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Old 14 January 2002, 12:34   #8
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Hi there again, it's really great to see all you chaps getting your new boats.

I must agree about the engine tools. I purchased a new engine to be sure that it was reliable, of course it's only 15hp. The chap at Caley Marina told me that the most important thing to do is flush it out with fresh water before any lay up and to run it dry of fuel (2 stroke).

I carry one of those multi tool things with pliers, knives etc. and no other tools apart from a plug spanner. I don't honestly think I could do any running repairs so the tool thingy is really incase I get the prop fouled. Gaffer tape is always useful, you can use it to temporarily bodge together all sorts of things in an emergency!

Now for my QUESTION.....

I do not carry an anchor in my little boat. Should I? Bearing in mind that I only go exploring inshore, and it is a small boat (3.4m). I did consider getting a sea anchor, which would be light and easy to stow, after all I am limited for space. As far as I understand the sea anchor is usefull if you have a breakdown as it will stop you from drifting any further.

I have mobile telephone, handheld marine radio and (now - thanks to Santa Claus) a GPS. Should I get a sea anchor?

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Old 14 January 2002, 12:59   #9
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Keith,
By inshore do you really mean inshore as in on the sea but close to the land OR inland as in on rivers, lochs etc?
In either case, a sea anchor will reduce the affect of you being driven by the wind, but the current, tide or river flow will still move you.
Whereas a proper "on the bottom" type anchor should hold you completely still.
All depends on what you want to achieve....
For a "proper" anchor, I would suggest a simple folding grapnel anchor with short length of chain and long line. Lengths will actually depend on depths you are planning to use it in, ideally to give the shallowest possible angle down the line to the bottom.
Apologies if I am stating the obvious!
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Old 14 January 2002, 15:57   #10
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Hi Andy,

Believe me, I find NOTHING obvious. Thanks for the comments. I never even considered the fact that a sea anchor would only act against the wind!

By inshore I mean within 2 or 3 miles of land and also the wonderful sea lochs and firths around the Highlands. I don't WANT to have to carry an anchor and a length of chain. But if it is considered a necessary safety aid then I will do so. However it would mean it would have to go into some sort of hard container as I wouldn't want to risk damaging my inflatable deck. This would take up a lot of room in a small boat.

By the way I excelled myself when I was up in the Highlands last week. I went out from portmahomack (with my new gps) and we carried on past Tarbat Lighthouse, that was the furthest I had been in that direction. I could see the buoy that marks the approach to the Dornoch Firth in the distance. There were a couple of lobster boats out in the area so I was feeling quite confident. I heard them chatting on the radio so I knew we could contact them if needed. The sea was fairly flat but it got a bit more lively as we came out past the lee of Tarbat Ness, but nothing to worry about.

The buoy, which had always looked like a tiny dot was beginning to take shape. I carefully made my way over to it and after a short while there we were, going right round the buoy! Wow, it was great, those things are massive up close. I was feeling like a real sailor by then. Afterwards we made out way back closer in to the shore and then back to Portmahomack watching out for seals along the coast.

When we got back in I felt really pleased with myself, I had a great sense of achievement. The way the little inflatable and engine handled gave me a lot of confidence. The engine was as smooth as silk and never missed a beat. The boat was really stable and handled the choppy waves really well. I don't think I would have felt so confident in a conventional boat the same size! (Take note Galadriel!). I also felt a lot better knowing that if the clear skies had taken a turn for the worse I could have navigated back in poor visibility using the gps.

Having had the gps with us I was able to check out all the details of the trip. Max speed 19.7 mph, trip distance 10 miles, average speed 7mph (we spent some time going very slow whilst we were drinking our flask of soup) and a tracklog which we could plot out on the chart when we got back.

Yes, I know that this trip was litterally a drop in the ocean compared to what everyone else on RibNet does, BUT, for ME it was a real adventure. I had 'expanded my envelope', and I had learned a lot about my little boat. My TRUST in the boat certainly grew that day.

When I returned to our cottage I got the chart out. Crikey! We were out (just) into the white bit. I've only ever been into the light blue before. Now when I look at the chart and see that buoy I can say, "I've been round that".

I am now ready for my next adventure, from Hilton of Cadbol into the Moray Firth, round the Kings Reef Buoy (East Cardinal Marker), then through the Sutors and into Cromarty Firth and then landing at Cromarty for a cup of tea in one of the 'Tea Shops'.

One step at a time eh!

These boat things are great, aren't they. Big, small, Rib, inflatable, single engine, twin engine, inboard etc. It really doesn't matter. What counts is going out and doing it. Getting back to the start of this thread, you chaps with your new boats have a lot to look forward to, I feel excited for you. I know that I am counting the weeks untill I am back up in Scotland again.

Welcome to the world of Ribs and inflatable boats fellas, but be WARNED it's damned addictive.

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