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Old 09 June 2003, 04:17   #11
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Being the youngest male climber is still a pretty good achievement!
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Old 09 June 2003, 04:24   #12
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I may be wrong but I don't think that the 15 year old girl from Nepal was 'British'.

As I said, I believe that Bear Grylls was the youngest British Climber to reach the summit. Male or female.

Absolutely amazing however for the 15 year old girl, and the 70 year old man!!

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OK so I can't read!

Yeah, it's all good achievement. Whilst we're on the subject, I just thought I'd mention that I've got a first ascent credited to me. No big deal, just a technicality about a crummy bit of sea cliff at Kittiwake Zawn near Sennen in Cornwall. It used to be in the climbers' guide book... Alright then, I'll go and get back in my box.
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Old 09 June 2003, 05:22   #14
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just for the record, i am the oldest male human ever to have climbed the oak tree in my front garden as of saturday. I'm sorry but comparing crossing the arctic in a rib (with presumably an internal combustion engine attached, and maps, gps etc) with vikings in longboats is just unbelievable. Retire all ye explorers from planet earth! It's all been done.
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The youngest Brit to reach the summit of Everest was Michael Matthews who got there on 19th May 1999, aged 21.

Tragically he died on the way down, which to my mind makes it even worse that Bear claims the credit.

"Youngest Briton to get to the top of Everest and survive the descent" doesn't have quite the same snappy ring to it though does it?

Bear and his team have received a lot of support and advice from RIBnet members, and I wish the team every success for their voyage though -- it will be a tremendous achievement by any standards. I just don't see that they do they cause any good by claiming credit that isn't due.

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Old 09 June 2003, 05:40   #16
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What a wonderful articulate and well thought out reply, do you do this sort of thing for a living? I mean PR as opposed to Ribbing. Lets hope you become a regular visitor after the Challenge

Bear obviously is one of the World's achievers, Just to get into the SAS would be enough for most people and as such demands respect. It is my understanding that the youngest British climber to scale Mount Everest sadly died on the descent and you don't get much publicity for that.


Let's get this put into perspective, Bear and his team have nothing but our best wishes and hopes for a safe and succesful passage, we are after all Mariners!. Some of us just have a small point of concern over his PR claims.

Of them all that Irish headbanger Enda surely deserves respect which he most certainly fails to achieve. His efort was an unbelieveable test of character and nerve., but he never got the credit the credit or publicity for it.....shame

Onegood thing about this challenge , however, at least the crew wont have any B.O. you can be Sure of that (sorry couldn't help that last one, it just slipped out)

Best of luckand Gods speed wth the crossing
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James.
An interesting reply to my posting and as always, everyone is entitled to there own opinions and thoughts.

I think you have mis- understood many of the postings about this trip.

I have personaly and publicly wished Bear and his team well for this trip but I do have an issue with him saying in public
things about me and my team that are not true! His opening page of his website is pure fiction and I am sure that if someone was telling the press something about you that was not true you would be mad as well.

I have spoken to Bear about this and the comments are still up on his site.

For the record, the two previous trips across the North Atlantic where succesful in their own right. Enda's trip was one of pure endurance and determination and by his own words he is lucky to be alive. Our trip in 1997 was planned as a miltary excersise, leaving on a date that we set a year in advance and returning on time for a party. So unless Bear intends to cross without refueling I still do not understand his claims.

Again, I wish Bear and his team all the very best for his trip, it is not an easy thing they are about to do.

And as I said to Bear last year, " I might see you on the start line" Alan P
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Actually, having re-read the Arctic 2003 web page carefully, Bear doesn't actually claim to be the current record holder (although that is the impression that many would take from it!).

The web site says that he "became the youngest British climber ever to reach the summit of Mount Everest." which was on May 26th, 1998. So he was the youngest, but isn't now!

Oh the subtleties of the English language

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Oh the subtleties of the English language

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Yeah, probably!

However, I believe that the wording is a bit of spin which is designed to mislead. For what it's worth, the team is sponsored by the Daily Telegraph who perpetuate the myth.

None of which is of any importance, but I just find it irritating. I'll shut up now

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