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Old 08 September 2011, 11:09   #11
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Sort of off-topic: I've seen a cleat pulled out of a hard boat who tried to head to sea without loosing a dock line. Pretty impressive, as half tore out of the fiberglass, and the other snapped the mounting hardware. The cleat was propelled over and onto the finger dock with enough force to leave a decent dent in the planking. Luckily nobody got hit.

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No-one will tie off to my rubber cleats, I haven't got any, hate the damn things. I think it comes from 'rubber cleat enemas' from dive RIBs where they have been strategically placed to do the most damage
However, I sympathise with the OP, and anyone who ties off to my lifelines had better be prepared for a mid-night visit
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Old 08 September 2011, 14:06   #13
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I have no moulded cleats. My grab lines are attached to stainless D-rings which are held onto the hypalon with nylon/polyester/polypro (not sure?) webbing and a patch. I tie off to those in good conditions, they seem to be holding up fine.
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Old 08 September 2011, 17:06   #14
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Another thread is debating the social rudeness/rightness of tying/rafting up to a rubber glued on cleat/handle. I understand the fear, but is it based on fact or not.

Has anyone actually had one pulled off? and what were the forces involved?
Once saw a 65ft Princess try to leave Torquay marina with port stern line still attached but under water.

The skipper throttled gently ahead and the thick line appeared, tightened and halted all progress. The skipper gunned the twin engines and the boat lunged its stbd quarter into the boat adjacent. Undeterred and somewhat mystified, he gave it some serious wellie. By this stage, one could have played Stairway to Heaven on the stern line. The harbour master and onlookers had by now given up trying to warn the skipper over the roar of the engines and were instead taking cover. The skipper's elderly father, transfixed on the rear deck, had also failed to alert his son. Suddenly the huge cast cleat on the pontoon snapped off its base and shot straight up in air, to the full extend of the line, then crashed unto the deck, inches from the skipper's old man. The skipper was blissfully unaware of the near miss as he was now otherwise engaged, frantically trying to reduce the sudden found forward acceleration.
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Old 08 September 2011, 18:22   #15
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Once saw a 65ft Princess try to leave Torquay marina with port stern line still attached but under water.

The skipper throttled gently ahead and the thick line appeared, tightened and halted all progress. The skipper gunned the twin engines and the boat lunged its stbd quarter into the boat adjacent. Undeterred and somewhat mystified, he gave it some serious wellie. By this stage, one could have played Stairway to Heaven on the stern line. The harbour master and onlookers had by now given up trying to warn the skipper over the roar of the engines and were instead taking cover. The skipper's elderly father, transfixed on the rear deck, had also failed to alert his son. Suddenly the huge cast cleat on the pontoon snapped off its base and shot straight up in air, to the full extend of the line, then crashed unto the deck, inches from the skipper's old man. The skipper was blissfully unaware of the near miss as he was now otherwise engaged, frantically trying to reduce the sudden found forward acceleration.
Please god let this be on youtube somewhere
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Please god let this be on youtube somewhere
I was thinking the same

So what we have established so far is that tying up to hardpoints is bloody dangerous and prone to end in tears, while nobody has ever torn a cleat off a tube in normal use so this should be the preferred method

Ah my coat, I wondered where I had put it
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I think you're right bogmonster.

Yes, rubber mounted cleats can break, but we knew that in the ultimate scenario anyway.

I suppose we learned that it's the rubber that breaks, not the glue or hypalon, unless either were v old.

It would appear also that prolonged regular use will make them ultimately fail, but that's a bit like the first point again.

I'd maintain my view that in a calm marina and your boat is not enoooormous, tying off to a couple rubber cleats alongside, (with a fender out if your rib colour is different, that's another debate ) would be acceptable...........

....... unless it is one of the people on here who will take great offence and view you to have vandalised their boat and you will find your own boat on return tied to 10 other boats with Granny knots and padlocks just to make their point!
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I'll be fine, they'd struggle to find 10 other boats around here
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Old 09 September 2011, 09:55   #19
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I'll be fine, they'd struggle to find 10 other boats around here
Not floating ones anyway
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Personally, I think the principle goes deeper than tying off to someones rubber cleats, it's the lack of respect for other peoples property. It's the tw4t that opens his car door onto yours in the supermarket car park, or lobs his fag packet out of the car window. It's dis-courteous & bad manners. I can see very few situations where it's necessary to tie off onto a "soft" cleat, where with a little more thought & application you could make off "fast". On top of that, I wouldn't want to tie off my boat to something that might or might not give way depending on how old, perished, glued, it is. If I'm tying off & leaving the boat unattended, I want to be sure the bugger's there when I get back. I'm paranoid enough without relying on somebodies dodgy soft bits.

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