Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 16 May 2003, 06:13   #11
Member
 
Cookee's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Salcombe, Devon, UK
Boat name: BananaShark
Make: BananaShark
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2xYanmar 260 diesels
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,225
dgpw - I think you will find that it is actually 12 passengers plus crew.

__________________

__________________
Cookee
Originally Posted by Zippy
When a boat looks that good who needs tubes!!!
Cookee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 May 2003, 11:20   #12
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Brixham, Devon
Boat name: FLY-BY/FLY-BY II
Make: Ribcraft/Avon
Length: 6m +
Engine: Honda 175/Yamaha 30
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 311
12 passengers + crew it says in the yellow book (vessel therefore coded for 14 max). I agree with you cookie. See you in Torquay next week. Good luck
__________________

__________________
David Hickman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 May 2003, 12:08   #13
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Oxford
Make: Ribtec, Ballistic, C
Engine: 40hp 4 strokes - twi
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 309
ar that sounds a bit better then. I did not realise that. Interesting. Have a good weekend all I wish the weather would clear up
__________________
dgpw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 May 2003, 13:11   #14
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Pwllheli-North Wales
Boat name: Delta 1
Make: Delta
Length: 6m +
Engine: Mariner 90hp Optimax
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,367
???

DGPW

Did you mean, max of 12 passenger to teach the Advanced ticket or drive under the advanced tictet.

If to teach its 3 : 1
__________________
JG Marine Services Ltd Specialist Safety Boat Services

Bodfuan Shoot Ltd Traditional British Game Shooting
Jono Garton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 May 2003, 13:30   #15
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Blackpool
Boat name: To Exi
Make: new sib 4 man
Length: 8+ft
Engine: Mariner 4hp long shaft
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 1,012
Err Does the boat also need codeing for three mile inshore stuff with paying passengers?

I am aware of the offshore rules blurb.

Just havent looked at the inshore coastal stuff yet ?
__________________
www.eurocommuter.com
crazyhorse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 May 2003, 14:05   #16
Member
 
Cookee's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Salcombe, Devon, UK
Boat name: BananaShark
Make: BananaShark
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2xYanmar 260 diesels
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,225
David - That's Cookee with 2 ee's to you! Look forward to seeing you in Torquay as well - The pits are at Daddyhole plain, and should be signposted from the harbour area. We will be there from Sat AM untill close of play on Sun. If anyone wants to have a look at the boat I'll be glad to give you the tour! There will be a commentary from the pier, and the racing will be on both days (Sat and Sun) with all of the racing taking part in Torbay.

Crazyhorse - Nice to meet you in Plymouth - Paying passengers means boat and crew need a ticket - it just depends on how far offshore you want to go as to the ticket you need!

__________________
Cookee
Originally Posted by Zippy
When a boat looks that good who needs tubes!!!
Cookee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 May 2003, 14:42   #17
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Brixham, Devon
Boat name: FLY-BY/FLY-BY II
Make: Ribcraft/Avon
Length: 6m +
Engine: Honda 175/Yamaha 30
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 311
sorry cookee.
I am on safety/rescue both days. Did you see us on discovery?I missed it!!! Men are better than women at!!!!!!

Jahno, I think dgpw is thinking about the Advanced cert with commercial endorsement to drive a POWERBOAT under commercial conditions. This however does not mean a MOTORBOAT, that needs yachtmaster offshore or Coastal skipper with Comm Endorsement.

Reference the coding there is the red book for nominated departure points. not as strict.
__________________
David Hickman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 May 2003, 15:10   #18
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Blackpool
Boat name: To Exi
Make: new sib 4 man
Length: 8+ft
Engine: Mariner 4hp long shaft
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 1,012
Yep Cookee good to see ya both on Sunday and it was worth the wait.

Am I right in thinking that you need powerboat level 2 advanced with Medical(or commercial endorsement) as its known in the trade for takeing a rib out with paying passengers around the boys local stuff daylight ect.And the boat also has to be red book coded for local stuff

But you need a yachtmaster ticket with commercial endorsement (Medical only needed) for driving a motorboat with paying passengers offshore.

And if the rib is used inshore then you need it to be red book coded for local stuff by the MCA as well as personaly an advanced ticket with medical/endorsment.

Which must mean it is Surveyed by a qualified MCA surveyor at some point and Maybe at regular intervals even though it is opperating within a small area,but is taking passengers out for gain.

Should it carry a Tx disc thingy to say it is coded and in date.?
__________________
www.eurocommuter.com
crazyhorse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 May 2003, 15:20   #19
Member
 
Paul Glatzel's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Poole
Length: 6m +
Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 406
David: Re Advanced Certificate (commercially endorsed) Vs Coastal Skipper (commercially endorsed); My understanding is that the Advanced certificate is considered equivalent to Coastal Skipper and thus a commercially endorsed advanced certificate allows you do anything you can with CS. There is no distinction in the codes between a ‘Powerboat’ and a ‘Motorboat’ from my recollection (and brief scan of the yellow book).

Which leads onto the point about the number of paying passengers that can be taken with these qualifications. It is limited to 12 because this is the distinction between a small commercial craft and a ‘larger one’ (not sure the correct definition). Above 12 persons and/or 24m the coding issue is a whole different ball game and I cannot imagine anything other than big ship qualifications being valid.

Crazyhorse: If you are coding your RIB then it looks like you can go to CAT 2 (full wheelhouse) from the new draft codes. Re the Inshore stuff it really depends whether you are prepared to be tied to a NDP or wish to operate within a certain distance of a ‘Safe Haven’. Either way fee paying passengers any distance offshore necessitate coding.

I wrote a long thread ages ago at Chartering your RIB which addresses the various coding levels. I would tend to not look at it as inshore and offshore as the codes define actual distance and everyone's definition of inshore/offshore varies anyway. One of my boats is coded to Cat 4 which is 20m from a safe haven in favourable weather & daylight and a commercially endorsed Advanced certificate is fine for that. As per my point above the motorboat Vs RIB distinction I don’t believe is valid.

Janho: The ratio for the Advanced course is actually 6:1 with three per boat. The recommendation is also that a suitably qualified person is on the second boat during the night nav. Personally I always run with 3:1 as I feel it gives a far better deal to attendees else they spend a high percentage of time without running with an Instructor in the case of two boats. If running with one boat then a second boat at night as safety cover strikes me as common sense too.

Paul

PS: Yes it does have a sticker to show it is coded & it is surveyed fully at the outset then it varies between owners own certification & resurveys by a survey
__________________
Paul Glatzel
Powerboat Training UK, Poole & Lymington & Aquasafe Powerboat School, Lymington

www.powerboat-training-uk.co.uk, www.aquasafepowerboatschool.co.uk
Paul Glatzel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16 May 2003, 16:31   #20
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Blackpool
Boat name: To Exi
Make: new sib 4 man
Length: 8+ft
Engine: Mariner 4hp long shaft
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 1,012
Sorry for all the questions Paul

Thanks paul, for your help on this matter. It is of interest to me and a definitive will be of help to all.

So am I right in thinking that a rib Ce marked with a C and used for inshore training needs a MCA work boat survey and must comply to the work boat code and be signed off as such and will carry a sticker to say so,if it is used in any way commercialy.

I am aware of the cat 2 stuff as this will also cover the boat for inshore work,but am not sure what the regs are for local stuff with a smaller cat C Ce marked boat.

It seems that an open cat B ce RCD marked up rib will get 20 miles from a safe haven or NDP as a work boat,but what about a cat C boat,what will it get commercialy and is it going to be limited and need testing again to comply with the work boat code?.

If you can answer this your on for a pint.

I do believe that for over 20 miles and commercial operation you need a yachtmaster and a medical or commercial endorsment whichever sounds better over the bar.

__________________

__________________
www.eurocommuter.com
crazyhorse is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:56.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.