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Old 23 December 2009, 07:19   #51
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But surely it makes more sense for the insurers to press for said training? Anyone spending squillions on a shiny new bit of tupaware is going to want it insured, so the quesition the broker needs to ask is would you like the 3,000 premium or the one that takes into account the training you have booked.
Even after training people would do daft things & be caugth out by real ' accidents' .

Insurance is not designed to stop stupidity but to help out anyone who has suffered as a result either the insured or third party.

If you used it as a 'rescue tax' people would just not buy it and it would end up like the uninsured car situation- but with worse outcomes.
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But you need a license and insurance to drive any of the above.
Whats the difference between hitting the central reservation in a Audi R8 at 155mph or an older car capable of that speed, you've still hit it!
The point I'm trying to make is that there are people purchasing expensive and very powerful cars who don't necessarily have the experience to drive them.

As Erin pointed out the insurance premiums in the motor industry will sort the wheat from the chaff so-to-speak on who can afford to drive performance and luxury vehicles.

From a different angle, how often have you been driving on a snowy dual carriageway only to be overtaken by some nutter doing 70mph in an X5! The stopping distance on ice will probably still be the same, regardless of ASR, ABS and any other electrical trickery onboard.

I still think the couple in question (regards the original thread) made a fundemental error on setting off, and my gut instinct is they knew they were out of their depth probably well before any engine trouble, and before it got dark but carried on regardless in the hope that it would 'pan-out'.
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Interestingly when 'one of our own' makes a f**k up we seem to say 'oh well everyones ok, its a great learning experience etc' but when someone else does it 'they are a complete idiot, and people like that should be banned from the water'.
Agree 100%.
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I still think the couple in question (regards the original thread) made a fundemental error on setting off,
This in most situations is the ONLY decision that needs to be correct. Various training and instruction has made me think about this everytime I even think about doing anything 'adventurous'.
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I have a friend who lost one of his legs from a motor boat running him over whilst he was becalmed sailing. There was no come back on the owner of the motor boat because he was not qualified and was simply stupid!
Come on GBR1 what about something a little bit more than a "mate of mine" is this a Codprawn story or something you heard in the pub or fact, because I think it's a little bit of a "too crazy to believe story"
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Come on GBR1 what about something a little bit more than a "mate of mine" is this a Codprawn story or something you heard in the pub or fact, because I think it's a little bit of a "too crazy to believe story"
Nope, a friend in Brazil, Lars Grael.. Double Olympic medalist!! The link below does not say too much, but he got becalmed sailing (all this happened in Brazil) and then got run over by a power boat while the guy was down below and on autopilot doing 20odd knots. Lars thought he was playing around and was going to move at the last minuet but didn't, Lars at this point tried to get out of the way but it was too late and was run over..

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From a different angle, how often have you been driving on a snowy dual carriageway only to be overtaken by some nutter doing 70mph in an X5! The stopping distance on ice will probably still be the same, regardless of ASR, ABS and any other electrical trickery onboard.
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yes you fookers my X5 with its wide boy tyres and immensley powerfull german V8 is pish in the snow
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Nein ... ze germans hef der fancy electricary on ze autobarge unt it vill be superior in Tesco car park but notten on ze mud or snow mein herr
Still got to be better than the people who can't drive doing 10mph every where!
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Nope, a friend in Brazil, Lars Grael.. Double Olympic medalist!! The link below does not say too much, but he got becalmed sailing (all this happened in Brazil) and then got run over by a power boat while the guy was down below and on autopilot doing 20odd knots. Lars thought he was playing around and was going to move at the last minuet but didn't, Lars at this point tried to get out of the way but it was too late and was run over..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Grael
Obviously a little thin on facts, but I believe that the first rule in preventing a collision is avoid one regardless of who is in the right! Assuming a guy is "only playing around" isn't really doing that. So no compensation paid and the powerboat skipper walked away scott free? From the facts the powerboat skipper was in the wrong, and this has happened with large commercial vessels as well, so licensing would make no difference to any situation like this, but they still broke collision regulations so there is a fault here.

Earthrace actually ran a boat over in South America as well, it was an unlit fishing boat at night I believe.
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