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Old 20 December 2009, 14:22   #11
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I wonder if the lifeboats being able to put a salvage claim in to the insurer would get their attention and lead the underwriters to ask the question "How can we encourage our customers to be safer at sea?".
Sounds like a start to resolve the issues,
also if people fail to get insurance then surely a salvage claim on the boat?

I am not sure the rescue services would support this strong approach?
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Old 20 December 2009, 14:54   #12
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There seems to be a lot of it about at the moment

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The Harwich RNLI Inshore Lifeboat was launched to assist the 38ft yacht “ Solo “ adrift at the” Platters Anchorage” Of Harwich. The yacht with one person onboard was taken in tow to Shotley marina where repairs to her engine could be made.
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The Harwich RNLI Inshore Lifeboat was called out at 04.40am to assist the 38ft Yacht “ Solo” with one person onboard. The yacht had again suffered engine problems, but this time at the “ Pye Sands”. He was taken in tow back to Shotley Marina.
I don't know what the answer is - I suspect legislation will only make things more difficult for the law abiding (the numpties will just ignore the law). The threat of salvage will I suspect just mean that casualties will try and put off calling the emergency services, potentially increasing the risk both to themselves and the emergency services.

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Old 20 December 2009, 15:05   #13
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I'm not convinced the "problem" is really getting any "worse"?
Neither am I, but it frustrates me that marine insurance companied do not exercise an ability to influence either thefts or accidents.

Were it not for volunteer lifeboat crews, such misadventure* would be either terminal or expensive.

The insurance industry is benefitting from the hard work of others.

* And yes, I have been hauled in by an orange boat more than once.
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Old 20 December 2009, 15:09   #14
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There seems to be a lot of it about at the moment
A guy was towed in here recently, ran out of fuel while crossing the channel. He complained bitterly that the tow did not put him along side so he could fuel up and set off again.

He had been told that his VHF set was transmitting a blank carrier, but cared not one fig.

In my humble opinion the skipper was using the tow as a free recovery service, it was taken 100% for granted.
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I am not sure the rescue services would support this strong approach?
Maybe the rescue services should not to the strong approach part? If the CG believe the skipper put people at risk they have existing powers to take matters further, perhaps they could impound the boat if they feel justified?
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Maybe the rescue services should not to the strong approach part? If the CG believe the skipper put people at risk they have existing powers to take matters further, perhaps they could impound the boat if they feel justified?
Its swings and round abouts, "innocent" people would worry that they boats would get impounded and not call the CG, the same reason the RNLI don't charge for callouts.
I know where your coming from though.
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Complete madness. Even an experienced skipper would have reservations about heading to sea in a boat he/she was unfamiliar with, especially at the dead of night. Short of invoicing them for the rescue - what can you do?
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Further calls to her mobile phone were now going direct to voice mail.
"Hello, you have reached the Lady 3. Unfortunately, we can't take your call just now as we are busy sinking. Please leave a message, and should we survive, we will call you back at our earliest opportunity. Should you be calling from Her Majesty's Lifeboat Service, we would appreciate your getting here just as soon as possible. Thank you for calling..."

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Sadly legislation is spoiling life and freedom for more of us than it protects. Look at car insurance - illegal to drive without it, but look how many people that do! I really can't see how more marine legislation is going to make a difference. There will always be ignorant and foolhardy people out there, and why should I be penalised for their stupidity or arrogance.
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Sadly legislation is spoiling life and freedom for more of us than it protects.
Definitely agree, but I still feel that historically it is the marine insurance industry that has been "encouraged" to promote safe practices and that this is the way to go.

Lots of people go to the time and expense of getting training and sharing experience, without any kind of reward or acknowledgment from their insurer.

Mind you, trained and experienced people can still be stupid and arrogant. But at least their insurance would be lower.
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