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Old 05 October 2013, 16:01   #21
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I was thinking the same my self. it would certinally reduce the costs. there would also be more flexability with the time keeping
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Old 05 October 2013, 16:09   #22
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A bl@@dy fortune.

I think that there is great potential for a group of ribbers with say, three or four boats to do a RI with a support team - basically a 4x4 and a trailer. More fun, cheaper, less fuss...
Excellent idea! WiLifISh's riBNobbrs with the man 'imself as Team Manager, mentor, 'uncle', etc....
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Old 05 October 2013, 16:31   #23
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A bl@@dy fortune.

I think that there is great potential for a group of ribbers with say, three or four boats to do a RI with a support team - basically a 4x4 and a trailer. More fun, cheaper, less fuss...
When I want to scare myself I will add up what it cost.
Otherwise I am in denial.
By far the biggest cost was fuel...
The fuel bills were large - but then again it seems I was also sharing some of my fuel with the Irish Sea via the bilge.
I also went through the 2 stroke oil at quite a rate as well....a not inconsiderable amount when added up.
I didnt sleep in the front of the boat, or have a motorhome, so spent on average 60 - 80 euros a night on accomodation. Plus add in 30 euros a day to feed myself.
Then the cost of trailering the boat to Milford Haven from Newcastle, the travel/ferry costs to retrieve the trailer from Wales, ferry and drive to Dingle, pick up the boat and then get it back to Newcastle.

WillK is right in what he says - say four Ribs together with one land support and one trailer, (hoping that no more than one in four retires), would have been good. Thinking it through...on an organisational level, and assuming the next "challenge" is going to be well subscribed, it would be great to have entrant liason peeps. Maybe one for the sub 5m boats and one of the plus 5m boats, each equipped with a 4 x 4 (supplied by a sponsor ) and a suitable trailer, that followed the circus round.
Each could carry some suitable chandlery bits for entrants to buy when needed (on a sale or return basis maybe from one of the big chandlers) plus oil etc etc ..the stuff that is often frantically asked for at the quayside!
I also see their role as including getting an update on available local accom from the local tourist info office, and being the conduit for Challenge information for their boats.
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Old 05 October 2013, 16:34   #24
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WillK is right in what he says - say four Ribs together with one land support and one trailer
Ah yes, but I was thinking just the four RIBs - no flockin' swans in tow, literally or metaphorically.

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WillK is right in what he says - say four Ribs together with one land support and one trailer
Providing land support is something that appeals to me, though I expect the best candidate for that type of role would be a marine engineer or the likes ... and that's not where my skills lay.
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Providing land support is something that appeals to me, though I expect the best candidate for that type of role would be a marine engineer or the likes ... and that's not where my skills lay.
TBH, a 4x4 with some spares for each boat and the means to carry fuel would have been a huge improvement on the RI2013 support structure - there wasn't one. The nice thing about the coast is that it generally has a marine engineer not to far away

I ended up doing a bit of "support" on the RI, simply because I had a vehicle available - that was the key element. I searched out a stainless welder who would work after hours for one team, recovered and hauled a boat for another, gave a couple of lifts, collected some electronics and so forth.

It's actually a full time job on a trip like that. I'd suggest sharing the role between the boats, so one person or two take a day off the RIBs and drive instead. It was surprisingly nice doing day off/day on as Ireland isn't the worst place to see from the land. Shore Support should maintain a picture of where the boats are (text is good for this) and be ready to move to an "close support role". Arriving early in the next port is good as accommodation, food and fuel can be recced. Spares would obviously be limited, but might include tube and GRP repair kits and a very good set of tools. Carrying oils and lubes for the Teams is useful, particularly if there is a 2 smoker on the trip. A roof rack would be useful to store empty fuel cans on.

Things I noticed were:
Teams worrying about where their 2 stroke oil was. Seriously
A lot of electrical issues - water in VHFs, shorted kit etc.
Injured team members (a day off the boat might have helped)
Bad fuel filters - caused by our high alcohol petrol - retired one team.
Boats needed to be trailered for 1. Retiring 2. Maintenance 3. Catching up
Teams needed lifts to accommodation/pub/hospital (we have some good pubs)
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TBH, a 4x4 with some spares for each boat and the means to carry fuel would have been a huge improvement on the RI2013 support structure - there wasn't one.
Which explains why the wining team won... coz they had a Mazda...

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It's actually a full time job on a trip like that. I'd suggest sharing the role between the boats, so one person or two take a day off the RIBs and drive instead. It was surprisingly nice doing day off/day on as Ireland isn't the worst place to see from the land.
Snag being you can't say you went right round by boat. But I do agree. If I was planning it I'd have had some rest days in the plan too, ideally at places where there was good access to marine engineering etc.

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Shore Support should maintain a picture of where the boats are (text is good for this) and be ready to move to an "close support role".
With modern tech this should be easier and easier. AIS was interesting from afar - although only 3 RIBs had it. With a tablet, 3G and possibly the ability for the support vehicle to receive its own AIS it might have been even better.

Ignoring the legalities, I assume you could use DSC possition polling to do the same thing as well. So Support moves along shore to some ideally pre-determined vantage points (I'm sure locals could make suggestions on here ahead of time) and is able to track the fleet.

Add to all of that the ability to use an iphone/android phone to update pos to marine tracking directly and you can probably get a half decent picture of whats happening.

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Arriving early in the next port is good as accommodation, food and fuel can be recced.
If there was the need to please sponsors then the support vehicle can be blogging, and maybe even it could have a SIB in it and get out to meet some boats on the way out to take some snaps and get them posted online for media stuff.

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Carrying oils and lubes for the Teams is useful, particularly if there is a 2 smoker on the trip.
Thought you'd gone on a different tack there for a minute!!

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A lot of electrical issues - water in VHFs, shorted kit etc.
Should make sure the 4x4 has some means to dry kit then, and carry plenty of waterproofing stuff.

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Bad fuel filters - caused by our high alcohol petrol - retired one team.
You been mixing up the beer pump and fuel pumps?

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FTFY!

You missed that the support team needs to arive early to get their towels on the sun loungers on the beach/beside the pool before they all get taken...
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Surely thats the value of going with the professional event organiser - yes it costs you a hefty chunk of cash but in return they are providing a service?

Personally I'd prefer to explore the Irish Coast at my speed (or with a few friends) rather than having to race round to the organiser's itinerary. Fuel was a major complication, but a less high profile smaller group would have been able to use Jerries. Obviously there is a camaradarie effect of going in a large group but it it sounded like the pace meant people were too battered to benefit from it!
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Surely thats the value of going with the professional event organiser - yes it costs you a hefty chunk of cash but in return they are providing a service?
Yip, but when the event organisers are part of the event race they can't do much supporting... ;-)
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Yip, but when the event organisers are part of the event race they can't do much supporting... ;-)
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