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Old 14 March 2016, 05:47   #11
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>>>Whatever you buy the *vast* majority of people never get it right for their needs first time and end up selling on - with this in mind I would definitely not go new despite your budget - you will lose a fortune come sale time.

Tommy 2S... Max is right to add caution re a substantial new purchase. One of the kids was ill last night and I was a bit distracted and perhaps read your OP incorrectly. With your large budget and confident statement of how/where you'd use this boat I assumed you were an experienced smallcraft user... perhaps a lapsed SIB owner returning to ownership. But now I wonder if you are new to boating or new to SIBs??

If so then I agree with Max... get a decent used outfit as near as possible to what you think you need and see after a season if you want to swap out to refine the type exactly to your needs. In this situation buying an outfit with an outboard that will suit a variety of SIBs is a great advantage so you can hang onto that and just swap the SIB at minimal or no cost.

Many of us on here try and find a bargain used SIB/outboard outfit close to 1500 and then there is no loss selling on if it's not quite right. With your budget you could raise that to 2000-2500 for a very nice not very old setup and still the risk of loss would be tiny compared with buying new and wanting to swap.

One thing to consider... the way you would operate this boat how heavy an engine can you handle in comfort?

Also important... how many folks do you want in the boat?
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Old 14 March 2016, 09:42   #12
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Aye,

the engine lugging bit could be significant. I used to haul a 1971 vintage 2 cyl premix (i.e nothing to it!) 20Hp down a path to hang on the back of an 11' Dory. The best we came up with was either a balloon tyred sack barrow or a big lump of timber and two of us carrying it. On paper it wasnlt that heavy, but outboards are remarkably awkward things to lift.

Re. the inflating / deflating thing as already said air floor is likely the way to go. Also get yourself an electric pump or you'll end up never going out because you'll spend half your day building / dissassembling the boat.

To put it in perspective my Rib used to annoy Mrs 9d "because of all the faffing to get it afloat & recover it". (and this is a rib on a roller trailer!) So, after much head scratching and rebuilding of trailer lighting & method of strapping it down, I can now go from road legal to "start engine" in under 10 mins. (likewise coming out if I don't flush the engine - i.e I've been in fresh water like Loch Lomond) It now slightly annoys me when I go out with friends and I see the faffing with the lighting board etc!

The other option I suppose - if you have a half decent budget is there somewhere close to you a trailer could be stored? (e.g local boat club / container rentals / caravan storage / friend with space & you pay in beer kind of thing)


The only thing that is certain is that whatever you buy will show you fairly quickly how you actually use / want to use it, which like most of us on here will mean a swap of some description.
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Old 14 March 2016, 13:21   #13
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Thanks for all your replays you have helped a bit.

I am new to sibling but not a complete novice on the water, hence why I am here for advice (I know enough to know I know bugger all).

I would like to carry 3 adult men or my three kids and Mrs at least, With others on occasion.

I do think I like the look of the zodiac futura other than the expense are there any draw backs?

In regards to second hand kits would it be wise to buy a used sib and a new engine?
carrying the engine should not be to much of a problem as I have good access to the water any other ideas would be welcome.
Thanks again for your time
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Old 14 March 2016, 13:34   #14
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Three blokes you are going to need 3.4/3.5m absolute minimum and a 25hp. Did you check the sticky? (Just to avoid repeating all that is in there ). If there are three kids and a woman + you then a SR4 would be useless really and you would need a bigger RIB ideally if you did solve the trailer/storage issue. It depends on the kids ages too as to how safe they will be/confident you will be in them holding on for dear life and if they can sit on the tubes safely.

I think the Futura like virtually all SIBs has a pretty flat bottom so in any sort of chop it will slam and your kids/wife will not be happy. Aerotec/25 would be better but a SIB is not a RIB and they are light and jumpy and will not cut through waves/chop like a RIB but a BAT will do it better than other SIB's. Regardless with kids on board you have to choose your days/conditions carefully anyway. Buy secondhand all round as advised. A package is nearly always cheaper, comes with goodies and usually a better risk re' engine history.
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Old 14 March 2016, 13:58   #15
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storage is a slight problem

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Old 14 March 2016, 14:15   #16
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>>>3 adult men or my three kids and Mrs at least, With others on occasion

At least! With others! Wonder how old the kids are? Is that 3 blokes plus helm?

That's quite a lot of folks.

I'd be thinking of a 4m-ish SIB like the Honwave or Quicksilver or a Futura. No personal experience of a Futura but I think their speed tubes break up a chop better than a normal flat floor.

I just think the Aerotec may be too narrow to fit that amount of people.

Edit: I think this Futura belongs to a forum member...
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Old 14 March 2016, 15:42   #17
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Whatever you get please be careful on the taw/toridge bar

But the rivers are quite shelterd

I was out from appledoor on Sunday river very flat but the swell on the bar

Was enough to get some air below my rib 7.5m diesel ( heavy)

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Old 14 March 2016, 16:15   #18
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Cheers gaz, yea I know about the bar and if I am going out in an inflatable I would pick my days to venture out in to the sea proper.

I am thinking a Bombard aerotec or what ever it is called sounds like the one for me, Is it worth getting a commando or is the extra farting about not worth the extra performance?

3 blokes would be total also my kids are only small ranging from 2 - 8 so it probably sounds worse than it really is.

I think really I am after a rib proper will have to see what I can find out about storing one some where maybe Instow yacht club?
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Old 14 March 2016, 16:21   #19
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Tommy, all you can get on here is advice from many based on experience. No one can pick the ideal boat for you but really if storage/trailer options are out then you are limited. If going out with three blokes then you have plenty of muscle to shift a heavy boat and gear but if it's you and the kids then you might struggle. A 4m SIB and 25 or 30 really is better on a trailer and then you're better off with a RIB.

I'd just look around for a nice used 3.4/3.8m + 25hp outfit to try, and see how you take to boating then go from there.
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Old 14 March 2016, 17:02   #20
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Good advice from max I kept my rib on a farm 200 for the year a rib on a roller trailer single handed launch easy but there's never the ideal boat so you have to be clear on what you want of it before parting with the well earned cash
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