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Old 18 October 2015, 10:36   #1
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Why a sib and trailer? Buy a RIB?

I have been meaning to ask this for a while as you see people suggesting to trailer sibs quite often.

Genuinely curious why people buy a sib only to put a trailer under it?

You have removed surely the number one reason to buy a sib? Storage and ease of launch out your car boot.

If you have a wish to buy a sib and trailer then why not just buy a RIB in first place?
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Old 18 October 2015, 10:58   #2
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SIB trailered?

When we had SIBs the reason we trailered them was; -
  • Very little storage space once home - SIB folded up for storage
  • Ours were set up like a sports boat - remotes, across tube steering, screen, etc. - time consuming building it up (Avon S400 with 25hp)
  • mainly used only when on holiday - so once built up it would stay on trailer for a few days at a time
  • I made the road trailer so it would fold - this allowed us to take the SIB/trailer in the caravan, once there it was all built up
  • The area we went boating was more suited to SIBs due to large expanses of shallow water
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If you have a wish to buy a sib and trailer then why not just buy a RIB in first place?
Cost and ease of manoeuvre on land?
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i have changed from a 3.2 sib to an Avon sr4 and to be honest its a move for the better ,I was trailering our sib, hand launch trailer, outboard and all the gubbins in a smallish camping box trailer and I just thought if i bought a small rib (that is much more comfortable in a bit of chop ) I could use the rib as a trailer and also carry all my camping gear in it I'm towing something any way . the only downside I can see is I cannot hand launch of a beach ect but I never did with the sib so for me there is no question
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Old 18 October 2015, 12:01   #5
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Cost and ease of manoeuvre on land?
You can buy an sr4, for example, for probably less than a honwave and 20hp engine.

Ease of manouver? They are both going to be on similar size trailers so moving them is going to be near as damn makes no difference.

Once off the trailer, if it ever comes off, a Sib would be easier of course. You still have a trailer to store though that is probably the same as the one that would be under an sr4 in first place?

I realise there will be people who can not have a RIB due to various reasons but it seems a lot of threads suggest to put a Sib on a trailer rather than lug the engine about, there is one about it right now Infact. Why bother with a Sib at all then? I just can't understand why you would do that if buying it all to begin with.

I wonder how many buy a Sib then a while later say, sod this and put it on a trailer to save lugging the engine about.......
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When we had SIBs the reason we trailered them was; -
  • Very little storage space once home - SIB folded up for storage
  • Ours were set up like a sports boat - remotes, across tube steering, screen, etc. - time consuming building it up (Avon S400 with 25hp)
  • mainly used only when on holiday - so once built up it would stay on trailer for a few days at a time
  • I made the road trailer so it would fold - this allowed us to take the SIB/trailer in the caravan, once there it was all built up
  • The area we went boating was more suited to SIBs due to large expanses of shallow water
Hope that helps
Thanks for that....couple of things then if I may.

Mainly used for holiday- perhaps a better argument to just buy something easier to launch?. I.e maybe a honwave 3.8 and a 15hp 2 stroke. Easy to launch from the car and saves effectively re-rigging a boat to go out. Also more likely to use it as it wouldn't need to be a faff to go anywhere?

Sib in shallow water I can somewhat understand, but you have a heavy engine so why not a 3.8 out the boot as it will go into shallower water if that is your bag?

Based on what you have said, for me, perhaps you had the wrong combo for your needs?
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Like I said at the beginning -when we had SIBs in the 70s and 80s to the best of my knowledge honwaves had not even been invented then.

We used ours from Cleethorpes hence shallow water until you got well out and/or tide came fully in. The Avon sports boats were the best option for our requirements (performance/storage) at the time and allowed me to tow the caravan and still take the SIB with steering instead of tiller.
When circumstances allowed we did move onto SR4 with a fifty on the back (hours of cheap fun).

At the time, like I said earlier, the SIB gave the best compromise because storage was the other problem.

I would agree with you if it is like for like and storage is not a problem then the option would be RIB every time.
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I'm sorry, I don't realise you were talking 30 years ago...doh

Of course I am talking about right now and why people do it.
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You can buy an sr4, for example, for probably less than a honwave and 20hp engine.

Ease of manouver? They are both going to be on similar size trailers so moving them is going to be near as damn makes no difference.

Once off the trailer, if it ever comes off, a Sib would be easier of course. You still have a trailer to store though that is probably the same as the one that would be under an sr4 in first place?

I realise there will be people who can not have a RIB due to various reasons but it seems a lot of threads suggest to put a Sib on a trailer rather than lug the engine about, there is one about it right now Infact. Why bother with a Sib at all then? I just can't understand why you would do that if buying it all to begin with.

I wonder how many buy a Sib then a while later say, sod this and put it on a trailer to save lugging the engine about.......
Ok that was a quick answer on a mobile. I chose a RBB rather than a SIB for various reasons so to an extent I agree with you. However you get an old SR4 for the same money as a new SIB with warranty. The general assumption is a SIB will be fine with something in the 15-25HP, but a SR4 "wants" a 40-50HP so the costs don't match up (especially new). I think there is a lot of appeal to a new (or nearly new) package rather than a 20yr old one - even if it was originally military spec. A warranty is worth a lot!

A SIB is lighter that a SR4 so IS easier to push around on its trailer (esp. if you are looking at SR4+40HP+battery+fuel+console etc, v's SIB+fuel+20HP!) That means its possible to pop transom wheels on it (or gurnard inflatable rollers under it) and easily pull up a distant shore when you get there. Using the same approach you can avoid dunking the trailer at all. And being able to take the shore without worrying about your gel coat an make for more relaxed exploring.

You are probably right though that a lot of people start off folding and inflating each time, and then realise it would be easier to keep inflated. Once you've got a SIB a trailer is probably cheaper than flogging it and finding a suitable RIB. Not everyone stores them inflated at home though - some pop it on the trailer for "trips" but pack it up to store in between, or over winter.

I think some people also like the simplicity of a tiller steered basic boat. That's possible with a RIB too of course, but rarer. Of course there are circumstances which suit both options - thats why there is a market for each, and also times when they overlap, or the ideal rig is the one you don't have. I guess people might look at your arrangements and wonder why?
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I can only speak for myself Dubrus ..but Poly hit the nail on the head.. great cheapness and easy of moving on land.

Pushing a SIB on a trailer down banks and across beaches is NOT the same as pushing a heavier RIB on a trailer.

I gave up a hardshell boat around the same weight as a small RIB because I was killing myself launching off beaches. I find it is far easier with a SIB.. but if it is too hard to push on the trailer..I haul it off and put it on inflated rollers to get it to the sea.

I doubt if any 60 year old could single handed shove a SR4 to the sea in the typical places I launch my boat ? If they do..they are a lot stronger than me.

Some random but typical launch and recovery beaches I use..
150 yards of soft sand ..rocks and seaweed ..SIB launched and recovered at low tide..no problem



100 yards of large stones after coming down 6 feet of grass banking...



50 yards of rocks sand and seaweed after a steep grassy banking..launched..waiting for the tide so I can get an early start.



I regularly single handed launch and recovered on all these shores in the photos..and do similar launch and recovery most places I go.. slipways are a luxury for me... and mostly in places I donít go.

As for comparing costs ... My set up.. 4.3 meter Quicksilver..25 hp outboard .. trailer ...and a lot of extras including cover ..launch wheels .. trailer ..all only 6 years old.. pristine condition .. and hardly used ...cost one third the price of the SR4 on sale here at present. I have seen some SR4s going for sale at 5 times the price I paid for my set up.. so very much cheaper than RIBs too.

My second hand set up the day I bought it... and it 1/3 the cost of a decent SR4



I have had heavier boats in my past.. and getting lighter boats as I age. Iím afraid I need a heavy RIB as much as I need lead diving boots.

Last year .. I did considered the light ali hull ďRIBsĒ like the Highfield Classic range ..and also the F-RIB range ..both brands are even lighter than my SIB.. but I cant justify the extra cost..while I can still launch and recover my own setup. I am still thinking of a lighter trailer though

Thats why I have a trailer SIB
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