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Old 04 August 2016, 04:48   #21
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How can you be sure that on strong wind and waves this weak tie will not break ?

Personally I do prefer more Australian solution.
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How can you be sure that on strong wind and waves this weak tie will not break ?
For the same reason the Australian anchor doesn't suddenly release? The force is not applied a direction that would break the cabletie/slide the shackle.

IMO, both are for temporary anchoring and easy recovery. I wouldn't use either in an emergency or if leaving a boat unmanned. Big hook and a trip line for me in those situations!
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How can you be sure that on strong wind and waves this weak tie will not break ?

Personally I do prefer more Australian solution.
I've have the same system...and had cause to use it a few times in extreme tides and rough Sea's including those of the Bristol Channel...
If you have a good length (and diameter) of suitable chain... (commensurate with the vessel) coupled with proper length of warp....the load is totally on the the end of the anchor (making it grip) and thus no where near the "weak link"....indeed, when you need to recover the Anchor it takes CONSIDERABLE force to Break the link so you can haul it back on board.

For what it's worth I have found the "Bruce" type plough anchor the best all round....they all do a decent job on Rough Ground...but the Plough I've found to be much supperior in terms of grip on mud and Sand
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Thought the chain was what holds the boat mainly! I'd go for 10 to 15 m of chain
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For what it's worth I have found the "Bruce" type plough anchor the best all round....they all do a decent job on Rough Ground...but the Plough I've found to be much supperior in terms of grip on mud and Sand
Bruce is my favorite one also.

I have been using it in mud (Poland), sand (Greece) and even stones (Greece have a lot of round stones, never used it on rocks.

Never had a problem to pull out Bruce. I think I have 3,5 kg A4 Steel Bruce and 6m of chain weight 5 kg I suppose.

2 times I pulled out my anchor with some old ones left by someone in the Sea and ones it was really big round rock ... (OK like football ball)
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Thought the chain was what holds the boat mainly! I'd go for 10 to 15 m of chain
The chain is very important Mick Its what helps make the Anchor work properly.
Balanceing the Anchor Warp and Chain is important,when you REALLY need to Throw the Pin in a tight spot....it's too late to experiment!!
Try a chain on its own on Sand if you think it's the main thing that holds you fast
An anchor warp as well as it being strong...it's a good idea to have a good bit of stretch in it,as it helps absorb the shock in Big Sea.
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I use LIROS Handy ELastic rope for anchors.

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2kg galv. Bruce type anchor here, 4m chain and 30m warp plus another 30m on board if required. Rigged cable tie trip release if jammed in rocks. All on 3.5 and 3.8m sibs.
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The chain is very important Mick Its what helps make the Anchor work properly.
Balanceing the Anchor Warp and Chain is important,when you REALLY need to Throw the Pin in a tight spot....it's too late to experiment!!
Try a chain on its own on Sand if you think it's the main thing that holds you fast
An anchor warp as well as it being strong...it's a good idea to have a good bit of stretch in it,as it helps absorb the shock in Big Sea.

Yeh we were chatting about it on Jonny boat the chains is as important as the anchor
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With the Ausie sarca anchor I've reduced my chain from 10m down to 6 as well as reduce anchor size. When I target lobsters I often anchor close to reef on sand very close to the surf break, at first I was always nervousness the boat would drag into the break but so far it's held solid. So far it's not managed to snag using it on reef either.
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