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Old 25 March 2009, 07:53   #11
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Last picture - sure looks like a tiller arm to me

Oh yes sorry. I didnt even get past the first pic.........
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Old 25 March 2009, 11:39   #12
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thanks very much for that chaps, I really want a new one, it's not that I am rolling in dosh, and I know new does not guarantee reliability, but unless you really know the history of a second hand engine you always have niggling doubts.

Out of interest I wonder how much it will go for , there is a day left, I think it will break the 1,000 mark, what do you think?

So! Is someone going to sell me the benefits of a Honda or am I destined for a Totsy?

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I also was in similar position and bought a Honda 4 stroke that had only done 2 hours.
However i wanted more power and something lighter. I then bought a Tohatsu rebadged 25 which i converted to a 30. Same weight as the 20 but a 50% power increase.
Would i go back to a nice modern 4 stroke?.....no chance.

Because of it's simplicity, i can work on it my self, have a better understanding of my engine (in the event something goes wrong) and dont have to pay 4 stroke dealer servicing costs. Remember warranties are only valid if you service the engine in accordance with manufacturers reccomended time/hour intervals.

Oh it's for sale if you are interested
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Old 25 March 2009, 11:50   #13
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Hi Gibbo,
Out of interest how much do you want for the Tohatsu.We have a prospective buyer for one of our boats,but after taking him out he scared himself sh##less with the 50hp and said he thinks he would rather have a 30hp two stroke.
We will tell him about your engine.

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Old 25 March 2009, 12:16   #14
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experiment..

I had an avon 3.10 Rover RIB, with a 10hp mercury 4 stroke it took with 2 adults onboard 1 minute to get on the plane!!! engine was correctly trimmed, weight in the boat distributed ok. But a 10hp Fourstoke is just too heavy. I then had an 8hp 2 stroke Yamaha and it took about 20 seocnds to get on the plane.

Fuel issues asie, becasue unless you use a 10hp everyday all day, they don't use much at all, lugging a 2 stroke around is easier and you will find that a 10/15hp fourstroke weighs similar to a 25hp two stroke..
And I can testify to you that after a while you will wish you had bought a 4 stroke. I have had a honda 4 stroke for a small yacht and couldn't fault it. Except when I wanted to lift it off the transom!!
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Old 25 March 2009, 13:21   #15
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Ha ha thanks...........
You are all trying to talk me into a two stroke. If I could get a brand new two stroke I would go for the idea, I know all the advantages, but you can't get them now. I want a new motor so need the best and lightest four stroke and that seems to be between the Honda and the Totsy.

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Hi Gibbo,
Out of interest how much do you want for the Tohatsu.We have a prospective buyer for one of our boats,but after taking him out he scared himself sh##less with the 50hp and said he thinks he would rather have a 30hp two stroke.
We will tell him about your engine.

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Sorry Howy.

Should have made myself clearer, i'm selling the Honda 20 however i am looking at a smaller sib and engine set up, so if i find something the Mariner 25/30 will be up for sale.

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As people have said, go for the 2stroke Tohatsu.
Theres nothing wrong with the Hondas, but they are big lumps, i used to work for a Honda dealer and getting these on and off the servicing benches and trolleys was hard enough with one person, so imagine lifting into the back of a car etc. 2 people could man handle it but you need to know you can do it on your own if needs be.

Also i know people say the mixing is a pain but removing the oil for travel the exspensive servicing if you cant do it yourself, in my opinion makes 2strokes far better if your on the move!
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As people have said, go for the 2stroke Tohatsu.
Theres nothing wrong with the Hondas, but they are big lumps, i used to work for a Honda dealer and getting these on and off the servicing benches and trolleys was hard enough with one person, so imagine lifting into the back of a car etc. 2 people could man handle it but you need to know you can do it on your own if needs be.

Also i know people say the mixing is a pain but removing the oil for travel the exspensive servicing if you cant do it yourself, in my opinion makes 2strokes far better if your on the move!

Hi Sam , thanks for the reply.
If I could get a new two stroke it would probably be my preferred option because of the weight. The Honda and the Tohatsu seem to be the lightest of the four strokes which was my main reason for looking at them.
But I do want it to be a new engine, so as I have as much confidence in it as poss.
This business with draining the oil for transporting the engine - is that neccessary with all four strokes or are some of them designed to get round this.
I think I need to go and lift a couple of these engines as I will be largely on my own (apart from Mrs VQ-and she won't be helping me do that!)

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Old 03 April 2009, 10:04   #19
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Hi Sam , thanks for the reply.
If I could get a new two stroke it would probably be my preferred option because of the weight. The Honda and the Tohatsu seem to be the lightest of the four strokes which was my main reason for looking at them.
But I do want it to be a new engine, so as I have as much confidence in it as poss.
This business with draining the oil for transporting the engine - is that neccessary with all four strokes or are some of them designed to get round this.
I think I need to go and lift a couple of these engines as I will be largely on my own (apart from Mrs VQ-and she won't be helping me do that!)

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Yeah that the problem new 2strokes are hard to come by, i think there the way forward but "eco" people obviously dont :P
Not all 4's have to have the oil drained but the engine will need to be laid the correct side with as little movement as poss, which isnt hard when its a big old lump!

As you say your best bet is to go and have a look at a few and manhandle them, im sure a dealer wont mind you transfering one from trolley to trolley etc to get the feel.
Another problem with the fours is they arent designed with nice lifting points and are very rounded.
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What 10 h.p.

The lightest weight 10 h.p. 4T Outboard on the market is the Selva Piranha 9.9 - the weight of a standard shaft, manual start model is 30.5 kg.
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