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Old 24 May 2008, 13:38   #31
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yeah i was going to do the level 2 powerboat training 1st so i at least know the basics and also get an idea what its like.
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Old 24 May 2008, 15:00   #32
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Have a look here

There's a few small ones there worth a look-the Seariders and the ribtec.


If you can get a rib it'll be far more forgiving to learn on.
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Old 25 May 2008, 05:47   #33
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Just be careful to make sure that any RIB you are interested in is a RIB, before travelling any distance or shelling out any cash.

As per a recent thread on here, this 'Searider' is anything but:

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/SIM721

Not that it is a bad boat, but it is a SIB, not a RIB.

And the number of 'yes it is a RIB it has rigid wooden floorboards above its inflatable keel' sellers has to be seen to be believed.

Like when buying a second hand car, try and get someone knowledgeable about boats to go along with you to check out any boats you are interested in.

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Old 26 May 2008, 06:06   #34
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that may be true - but for the sort of budget ikleric is planning to spend it may be ambitious. Mine is more like 5% of a boat in the sort of range that he is interested in (thats for a fairly comprehensive policy).
Alternatively if you are not spending a lot on the boat, just insure it 3rd party. I have a ye olde 470 dingy that I was quoted 105% of what I paid for it for fully comp! I reckoned if it got trashed, I'd use the money I saved by insuring 3rd party only to buy another one.

3rd party only on a powerboat is pretty much a linear relationship of cost to horsepower. And as Polwart says, 15 Knots when you're 6" off the surface on a small boat feels like about 800 knots on anything else! So if you get a small boat the insurance will be cheap to insure and you still get the buzz.....

Whatever you do, make sure you are at least 3rd party covered.
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Old 26 May 2008, 07:15   #35
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Alternatively if you are not spending a lot on the boat, just insure it 3rd party. I have a ye olde 470 dingy that I was quoted 105% of what I paid for it for fully comp! I reckoned if it got trashed, I'd use the money I saved by insuring 3rd party only to buy another one.

3rd party only on a powerboat is pretty much a linear relationship of cost to horsepower. And as Polwart says, 15 Knots when you're 6" off the surface on a small boat feels like about 800 knots on anything else! So if you get a small boat the insurance will be cheap to insure and you still get the buzz.....

Whatever you do, make sure you are at least 3rd party covered.
Agreed - My boat would cost me 4-5k to replace. I couldn't afford that so with out comprehensive insurance my boating would be over for 2 or 3 years if it got nicked/sunk etc. I can, and do insure it for about 200 a year. But - at the very bottom end of the scale it may just not be worth insuring boats full comp, just as with some cars.
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Old 26 May 2008, 17:35   #36
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it looks like i'm probably going to go for a fletcher speed boat with something like a 75hp. I thought about the SIBs but i want something a bit quicker, i would have gone for a proper RIB but can't afford one yet. Now the fletcher speed boats are around 16ft, are these ok for going up and coasts. Are they safe enough in the sea?
There are probably more speedboats out there at the weekends than any other fast boat , because they are cheap and fast . But they never seem to go far probably because of the cost of fuel .

I think the main consideration is running costs ,if you re on a tight budget an older 75hp 2 stroke is probably going to cost you about 2 litres a mile . or an average day out ie trip to the beach and a short cruise approx 30 miles 60 or more plus 2 stroke oil. If you do any water skiing or flat out runs for fun then its probably going to cost even more .

I expect all the carbed 2 stroke owners will reply now with amazing fuel consumption claims
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I expect all the carbed 2 stroke owners will reply now with amazing fuel consumption claims
Not from me. I would probably use about 60% of the fuel if I had a similarly powered 4 stroke or a DI 2 stroke.

However;

I bought my 9 year old Yamaha 40 hp carb'd 2 stroke last summer for $1400 CAN (~ 700 pounds).

It is in perfect running condition and has seen nothing but fresh water for it's entire existence, so it's got alot of life still ahead of it.

If I were to have purchased a new Honda BF 40/50 or an ETEC 40/50/60/65, I would have had to spend an additional $7000 - $8000 to acquire one.

At today's gas prices here, that is about 6000 liters of fuel.

An average 2 day weekend fishing trip would involve a round trip of about 90 miles (some less and some alot more), which would consume about 60 liters of gas (about 1.5 miles/liter).

That means I can go on 100 weekend fishing trips funded completely by the money that I've saved by not buying the new highly efficient motor. Given that we have a 20 week boating season, that is 5 years worth of trips simply to cover the cost of a new engine and not even accounting for the additional cost of fuelling a new 4 stroke or DI 2 stroke outboard.

I doubt that the ongoing maintenance costs of a 9 year old, bone simple, carb'd 2 stroke would run up any higher those of a new, but far more complex 4 stroke or DI 2 stroke.

Older carb'd 2 strokes are nowhere near as fuel efficient as the 4 & DI 2 strokes, but they can be much more economical, especially for non-commercial applications.
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I should add that there may be some compelling reasons to change over to a 4 stroke aor a DI 2 stroke, such as having a greater range for a given amount of fuel being hauled, quieter operation, or that you simply need a new motor because the existing one is DOA. But to change over from a perfect running carb'd 2 stroke to a 4 str or DI 2 str, for the sake of economy, requires a very substantial amount of usage.
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