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Old 17 April 2015, 18:17   #1
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Sibbing French Coastal Waters

Can anyone confirm with appropriate sources what insurance, documentation etc. I need to take my Honwave 3.8m in order to use it in French coastal waters. I intend to use it with a 15hp Honda outboard around southern Brittany.

The following sites seem to indicate that no ICC is required:

Regulations and Licences needed for cruising in France
Sailing Licences and Boat Permits in France - AngloINFO French Riviera, in the Côte d'Azur (France)
ICC and French Coastal Waters The final answer!!

I appreciate it may be sensible for me to undertake a PBL2 and therefore gain an ICC at some point. However, at the moment I'm just wondering what the legal position is.

If I register my Honwave on the SSR - do I even technically need insurance? Again, I appreciate that having insurance would be very sensible - but from a purely legal point of view.

I have done quite a lot of searching online and have come up with a whole load of conflicting answers! I have an old 2 stroke Yamaha 9.9 (now 15 - with a 9.9 hood) which may be easier to take as it seems that it would definitely be outside of all regulations.

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Old 17 April 2015, 18:21   #2
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First port of call RYA This is general info regarding foreign use.
Here is specific info regarding France This is also important: Registration

When you've ploughed your way through that lot, here's what it boils down to. France is full of French & everyone is a bureaucrat If you are out of the way, chances are you will be left alone. If you frequent busy areas, chances are you will cross swords with at least 1 of the French maritime agencies & there are lots of 'em Navy (spotty 12 year olds with guns), Douane (customs, fat men with guns) Affaire Maritime (sort of fisheries protection with guns, who have a chip because they really wanted to be Gendarmes but failed the entry test), Gendarme Maritime (marine police with guns) Do you see the theme We've been boarded several times in the 20odd years we've been going out there, the first time I nearly sh4t meself (Douane, fat men with guns) We had no paper work, no flag, couldn't prove that we were a British registered vessel ('cos we weren't), so they made us go back inshore & stay within the 5 mile limit that applies to small French boats. I came home, joined the RYA, got a bollocking off the then cruising secretary who then spent time helping me get things in order. So here's what I take:-

ICC, not actually required in France but it doesn't hurt.
Insurance, make sure it covers you in France.
SSR, absolutely necessary along with a red ensign, it keeps the French away.
Radio/OFCOM paperwork if VHF etc fitted.
Short Range VHF/DSC Cert.
Original purchase invoice for boat, trailer, electronics showing VAT paid.
Passports.
I don't carry flares, if you do, they MUST be in date. Carrying out of date flares in France is punishable with a fine.

Enjoy, it really is a great country
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Good advice. As has been said there is no legal requirement for an ICC, but my French is nowhere near good enough to argue the toss with an armed Douane.
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Thanks so much for that. Will definitely make sure I'm on the SSR and have insurance then. If I have time I'll try and get my PBL2 done.
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I've been a few years ago with the sib to the Carnac area just had it insured an icc and PB2 never had any questions or hassle
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I've been a few years ago with the sib to the Carnac area just had it insured an icc and PB2 never had any questions or hassle

Exactly!...that's because You don't look like an obviously Dodgey Geezer!...plundering all the Sealife and patently up to no good!...
and have a BAD attitude!!..... like "some" Yorkshiremen on here!
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Exactly!...that's because You don't look like an obviously Dodgey Geezer!...plundering all the Sealife and obviously up to no good!...and have a BAD attitude!!..... like "some" Yorkshiremen on here!

Oi! My attitude is your problem😎


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...How could you possibly think I meant your Good Self!??
You're attitude never gave me problems Dave!
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