Round the iow in sibs

[guernseylee]

Originally Posted by ukprometheus

im sitting on the fence at the moment wondering how brave i am
my quicksilver 3.1 may be a bit small for this trip

im only a foot bigger

[SPR]

Originally Posted by ukprometheus

im sitting on the fence at the moment wondering how brave i am
my quicksilver 3.1 may be a bit small for this trip

if you allowed the big ribs to take part you could be towed around like a ringo ...hides lol

[ukprometheus]

Originally Posted by guernseylee

im only a foot bigger

Im feeling my inexperience at this stage may wait till next year and see how i go.
I really need to get out on the water with a small group and find my legs first

[ukprometheus]

Originally Posted by SPR

if you allowed the big ribs to take part you could be towed around like a ringo ...hides lol

cheeky git don't think the boat would be all that slow with a 15hp on the back

[PeterM]

Been thinking about this on a practical basis as if someone had asked me to plan it for them and while doable I think it needs some proper thought. In no specific order and based on my observation of the windsurfers whchi Ian M & I followed and general boating experiance;

- I think it would be very very wise to have a decent size boat out and about for support.
- Boats need to be paired up perfomance wise ( for safety / instant support if required - they will all invariably end up apart if not and even paired up they would unless 'sticking together' at all times
- every person would need a HH ( at least ) on their person & have some idea how to use it + flares & any other kit on each boat would need to be of certain level
- Petrol - I for one would want to know what my boat engine is going to use in 'worse case' conditions and as always have enough for the trip & reserves - this will add a lot of weight to boats at the start .
- personal fitness - some gentle cruising is differant to 5 hours at an average of just under 15knts - its hard work on a tiller !
- tides have to be favourable at key points ( Hurst/ Needles / St catherines at least off the top of my head) .
- Practice/ training - the solent is infamous for its chop & the south of the island offers little shelter / places to 'run' to especially in a SW wind which is most likely what it will be. Solent on a day when this is doable would be very busy - just seeing a small SIB could be a challenge so this is also a consideration - especially as most are unhelpfully light grey in colour.

Its not something to undertake lightly anyway....

Getting everyone to the right place, at the right time with ,the right weather, with kit that is 100%, allowing for family , work, costs etc means it really will be tough - which is why the get togethers can go from 10 boats to 2 over night...and thats mostly RIBS which are in general more reliable (ish) and less weather dependant.

[Jessk9]

Wow can it really be that bad

[Jessk9]

Wow can it really be that bad

[lockieboi]

Peter M does speak sense.

I have experience the Solent on a relatively calm day and you would be surprised how bad it can be by the needles and St. Catherine's especially.

Realistically we need someone to keep an eye on the tides and the weather and its probably going to be a situation were we get a weeks notice of a good day to go and who ever can do it on that day goes.

[Avocet]

I have never owned a SIB but have been in a number of them over the years and am used to organising/planning cruises. I have also been around the island a good number of times in each direction. I agree with everything that PeterM has said above but would make the following additional comments for the benefit of those who are unfamiliar with the IoW:
• Waterside petrol is available on the IoW only at Yarmouth and Cowes. Additionally, there is a petrol station about a mile away from the water in Bembridge. I am not aware of any other petrol stations within manageable walking distance of somewhere where a landing is feasible. On the mainland, waterside petrol is available (although somewhat off the route) in Lymington and Portsmouth.
• Landing on the IoW is only feasible at a number of limited places. These include Yarmouth, Ventnor, Bembridge, Ryde, Wootton Creek, Cowes and Newtown Creek. Food is available at all of these although only Cowes and Yarmouth are non-tidal for RIBs. There’s also a beach at Sandown/Shanklin but no proper mooring facilities. Elsewhere is generally cliffs.
• Using larger RIBs as support vessels would be sensible for a number of reasons additional to those already made:
a) As carriers (for spare petrol, food, clothes or as a refuge for any cold or wet pax)
b) Better communications (25W as opposed to 5W)
c) Speed (to get to boats in difficulty or drop people ashore)
d) Towing ability
I’m happy to accompany in Grimalkin for any of the above roles.
• The only way to try and arrange an event like this is to pick a date when at least the tides are right. An individual’s final judgement on the weather conditions may only be possible on the day before and even a decision to go might still need to be changed on the day itself.
• Even if a sound decision to go is made, the number of people that turn up is often significantly less than those that express an interest. The number of ‘drop-outs’ can be reduced by setting a date not too far in the future, obtaining firm commitments at an early stage and providing regular updates on the forum. The Nacho Runs and Jollies to the Folly have generally adopted this approach and have had good attendance.
• A date on or after 25 March (when the clocks go forward) would seem sensible in order to give more daylight if required.

David

[guernseylee]

Originally Posted by Avocet

I have never owned a SIB but have been in a number of them over the years and am used to organising/planning cruises. I have also been around the island a good number of times in each direction. I agree with everything that PeterM has said above but would make the following additional comments for the benefit of those who are unfamiliar with the IoW:
• Waterside petrol is available on the IoW only at Yarmouth and Cowes. Additionally, there is a petrol station about a mile away from the water in Bembridge. I am not aware of any other petrol stations within manageable walking distance of somewhere where a landing is feasible. On the mainland, waterside petrol is available (although somewhat off the route) in Lymington and Portsmouth.
• Landing on the IoW is only feasible at a number of limited places. These include Yarmouth, Ventnor, Bembridge, Ryde, Wootton Creek, Cowes and Newtown Creek. Food is available at all of these although only Cowes and Yarmouth are non-tidal for RIBs. There’s also a beach at Sandown/Shanklin but no proper mooring facilities. Elsewhere is generally cliffs.
• Using larger RIBs as support vessels would be sensible for a number of reasons additional to those already made:
a) As carriers (for spare petrol, food, clothes or as a refuge for any cold or wet pax)
b) Better communications (25W as opposed to 5W)
c) Speed (to get to boats in difficulty or drop people ashore)
d) Towing ability
I’m happy to accompany in Grimalkin for any of the above roles.
• The only way to try and arrange an event like this is to pick a date when at least the tides are right. An individual’s final judgement on the weather conditions may only be possible on the day before and even a decision to go might still need to be changed on the day itself.
• Even if a sound decision to go is made, the number of people that turn up is often significantly less than those that express an interest. The number of ‘drop-outs’ can be reduced by setting a date not too far in the future, obtaining firm commitments at an early stage and providing regular updates on the forum. The Nacho Runs and Jollies to the Folly have generally adopted this approach and have had good attendance.
• A date on or after 25 March (when the clocks go forward) would seem sensible in order to give more daylight if required.

David

+1

i thing we have gauged an interest to organize such a trip

we need to take on board all points raised by everyone

i have 25+ years boating in guernsey and the channel islands
with big strong tides and lots of rocks.

i may have been light hearted about the trip at the start of the thread
only to get peoples interest going.

and put a social and fun side to sibbing as a group of like minded people
but also the dangers and if/buts play a big part too.

maybe have a saturday or sunday meet before to meet everyone and look at peoples range of ability's ,equipment,skills and competence.

[biffer]

Might be worth finding out about petrol stations near the water or inviting a large rib as boat cover and fuel barge

[PeterM]

Originally Posted by Jessk9

Wow can it really be that bad

Hopefully no , but things can change in about 20 seconds from all fine to definately not fine- at which point all my points and Avocets come into play.

I defo think a mini trial would be fun - not only to practice but also to enjoy some SIBing with no pressure .

Easter weekend somewhere maybe ?

[PeterM]

Originally Posted by biffer

Might be worth finding out about petrol stations near the water or inviting a large rib as boat cover and fuel barge

Hmm , big rib , cabin, deck space ..... local

What you up to in the summer Biff?

[Jessk9]

Originally Posted by PeterM

Hopefully no , but things can change in about 20 seconds from all fine to definately not fine- at which point all my points and Avocets come into play.

I defo think a mini trial would be fun - not only to practice but also to enjoy some SIBing with no pressure .

Easter weekend somewhere maybe ?

Hi peter
Ye a practice over Easter sounds good an fun an then ill get a chance to meet some other sibers

[Nick Hearne]

If you did a run from Portsmouth, Langston or Chichester harbour over to say Bembridge or Priory bay for picnic or pub run then at least if the weather was blowing you could have plan B & explore in one of the above & the brave could pock there noses out if they wanted!

[SPR]

You could always ask for RNLI Sea Safety advisor to come down and have a quick talk and Do SEA check on the boats as part of trail.

I know there is few sea safety advisors lurking about forum - but don't know any by name at your neck of woods! but I am sure I could point you in right direction if needed ...

Scott

[biffer]

Originally Posted by PeterM

Hmm , big rib , cabin, deck space ..... local

What you up to in the summer Biff?

well if i'm still ok i'll be up to all sorts, i'm still doing the olympics and my new found appreciation for life will mean getting as much as possible in, i still need to do a party and i'll probably keep the RIB and do some long range stuff.

[PeterM]

All , as the usual expansive thread is developing if anyone wants to PM exact thougths and details I'll try and summarise . Depending on the outcome I am happy to take on planning etc for a get together as I think SIBs are far more fun pound for pound than any RIB I’ve been on.

I have picked up the names of everyone expressing an interest/posting on going round the island and do feel a days outing with no pressure to be anywhere at anytime would allow everyone to have a good day and also to get ideas and share setups etc.

Jessk9
Guernseylee
UKpromethius
Lockieboi
greenb
loonasea
xs400
Bieny
Nickhearne
MattH
Benc
JK
IanM
Avocet
Biffer
+ The other usual Solent based suspects in RIBs or SIBS

Easter weekend would seem to be a decent time for a one ‘dayer’ or an over night camping thing. RIBNET is an inclusive bunch so any excuse - no one excluded for having a big boat/ engine or not !

I'll ignore the RIBs ( in a nice way as possible) .....

There seems to be a mix of boats/ engines and experience and as suggested a list of people/ boats etc is needed ( maybe PM me with these? ) . I’m never keen on posting my name / phone number as it generally ends up with endless spam calls and emails – hence a less public sharing of info via PMs suggested .

So maybe looking at the long Easter weekend as a start who can and cant make this ?

Locations – if we are talking about round the IOW then I think maybe somewhere that can simulate anything we may run into must be a good start, but easy to get to and park/ camp if needed.

Luckily the New Forest is handy for the solent , but from other threads suggestions have been ;

Poole Harbour ( somewhere ) – Varied waters in and out of harbour
Christchurch – I know this very well and allows much the same as Poole
Lymington - easy Solent access
Calshot - easy Solent access
Portsmouth - easy launch from Camber slip - but ‘technical’ in need to speak to harbour master to cross channel etc – which is simple for some but may be not others .
Langstone - 20 years since I went out of there - but will look at a chart
Chichester - used to dinghy sail there but again will look at a chart


PS - I'm doing this from 'work' so please excuse typos , spelling etc .

[Ian M]

Peter,
I cannot make Good Friday and the Saturday, 6 & 7/4/12, otherwise I'm in for any other time

[PeterM]

Spreadsheet and project plan in hand ! Thanks for PMs keep them coming.

Seems several have thought posted about SIB meets/ trip / cruises ( can you cruise in a SIB? ) etc

So maybe in due course they will all come together in some kind of SIBfest - good name Lee ....it shall be known as this in your honour ...