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Old 02 August 2008, 20:35   #11
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Is "silicon" bad for Hypalon?
Yes, even worse for PVC.
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Old 02 August 2008, 20:53   #12
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Yes, even worse for PVC.
Thanks for the tip!

I was worried, now I know, with good reason.
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Old 03 August 2008, 07:10   #13
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Does it actually do any damage though?? I thought it just makes it harder to repair.
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Old 03 August 2008, 13:35   #14
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Is "silicon" bad for Hypalon?

I have lots of automotive stuff in the basement, but I have been reluctant to use any of it for fear there would be some ingredient that would harm the material.
Dont really know but I have heard that it is which is why I would only use a silicone free product.

It wouldnt affect repair as silicone can be removed with various products.
Before repairing Hypalon I always clean the area with acetone which will totally remove any silicone residue.

If anyone knows the definitive answer,please let us know.
Would be useful to most inflatable and rib users.
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Old 03 August 2008, 13:59   #15
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Silicone penetrates deeply into hypalon and PVC surfaces. Wiping the the fabric with acetone, MEK, or toluene only removes the silicone on the surface. The deeper silicone will still be there and will return back to the surface thus compromising the repair. It is best just to avoid using silicone based products on hypalon or PVC altogether.

As an aside, it is also best not to use silcone based products on vynil surfaces in general. Stuff such as 'Armorall' causing the cracking of car dashboard vynil and disintegrating tire rubber has been well documented.
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It's not the silicone in ArmorAll that causes problem, it's the petroleum based solvents/carriers. They leach out the plasticizers from vinyl.

303 Aerospace is a much better long term choice, IMO (of course, that assumes you use anything. I usually don't remember to apply anything.)


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Old 14 August 2008, 12:17   #17
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The silicon is a point I was worried about before reading anything here and I still am.

I tried the "Yachticon" products I ask about in a earlier post, but I wasted my money, like most purchases from the marina the stuff was crap. I might as well have used shampoo & suntan lotion.

Coming from Texas, I am not sure about Armor All causing the cracks in dashes.

I think it is the repeated exposure to sun that dries out the material and people try Armor All as a last ditch effort to reverse this process with anything they can find. It won't help once material that is already damaged, and it cracks with, or with out the use of Armor All.

I have had leather seats treated with Armor All where the seems rotted where it was used, but not were it wasn't. My tires are worn out, long before any damage could be done by it! ;-)

I still use it, just not on stuff I really value, and expect to keep for very long.

Now if I just could find a dealler in Germany who carried 303, or another readily available alternative.
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see if there is any of this stuff around

Aurora products is suppose to be good. I never used it though because 303 is easy to get around here at Canadian Tire. Couple friends use it and like it on there tenders. It's a Polymer base product made for inflatable boats.

http://www.auroramarine.com/aurora/c...aurd-01220.htm
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Old 20 August 2008, 09:08   #19
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Aurora products is suppose to be good. I never used it though because 303 is easy to get around here at Canadian Tire. Couple friends use it and like it on there tenders. It's a Polymer base product made for inflatable boats.

http://www.auroramarine.com/aurora/c...aurd-01220.htm
Thanks for the tip dverstege. ;-}

I checked their web site and unfortunately they don't have a distribution net in Germany.

:-{

The best cleaner I have found as of this writing, is a citrus based hand cleaner that cost about 1.50 Euro a tube that I get at Aldi (a German discount/no-name food store). It is not great, but it works, which I can't say about any of the expensive German Hypalon cleaners I have as to this point tried.
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Thanks for the tip dverstege. ;-}

I checked their web site and unfortunately they don't have a distribution net in Germany.

:-{

The best cleaner I have found as of this writing, is a citrus based hand cleaner that cost about 1.50 Euro a tube that I get at Aldi (a German discount/no-name food store). It is not great, but it works, which I can't say about any of the expensive German Hypalon cleaners I have as to this point tried.
I use the Aurora stuff too. Living in the Netherlands. So I doubt you can't get the stuff in Germany. But if you really need it, I can help you out.

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