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Old 19 November 2013, 17:18   #11
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Hi Peter,
I am almost sure the tubes are PVC as I thought Hypalon was used in the newer boats, I may be wrong, I have bought and used stuff for PVC with no hassles so far, so fingers crossed, I might try and email Zodiac in France as I believe that is where the boat is manufactured originally to see what other info I can find out,

My Acetone eventually turned up and I have ordered some MEK, I am just waiting for that to arrive, I will defiantly wear gloves and eye protection just to be on the safe side,

I take it the boat has to be deflated if using a heat gun? I dont plan on tackling those bits yet, but concentrating on the must do now repairs, just thinking ahead for now,

I managed to remove my Ali flooring on Sunday, Easy, when you know how so they say, I let a bit more air out of the tubes, and off the bars popped with a little slight persuation, couldn't be happier until I seen under the flooring for the first time ever,

To be honest I think I have my work cut out a little as you can see by some of the photos I took on Sunday, its mainly the Bow but looking at the rear just below where the outboard sits it looks like it might of give way,

I did not notice it when I was with the boat but noticed it when I was looking at the photos on the pc, what is your expert opinion?, Looking at the photo I am sure the rear of the floor is not meant to be like that ;-( is it fixable?

If you have a spare minute could you have a look at some of my photos of the boat I took on Sunday, I think most will be easy repairs but I am worried about the rear of the boat,

Thanks in advance, and thanks for the information on how to remove the glue etc, most informative, and it will be a great help when I come to do the practical repairs, That is if we get a break in the cold weather, does it have to be warm to carry out these repairs? as I have no means of a heated garage etc, as it is quite cold in the UK now :-(
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Old 19 November 2013, 17:23   #12
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Looks like PVC construction to me. There only seem to be a few spots where the floor seam is pulling away. I'd just remove as much glue as you can with the acetone and scubbing with a coarse pad. I would not go reglueing the entire floor at this point. Just the loose parts and any sections which pull loose. Using the heat gun to completely remove and then reglue the floor section by section seems like a lot of unnecessary work.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

PS You need to vacuum out all the debris before reassembly!
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Think the next job is giving it a hoover inside and a wash with warm soapy water
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That is a PVC boat. Temperature and humidity are critical for gluing. Temp is not important for cleaning though, but warmer temps are more enjoyable as the evaporating Acetone is cold. Plus the warmer it is the easier it is to remove the glue.

The bow definitely needs to be repaired. Without pulling grabbing and seeing it in person I can not speak for the rest of the boat. I would recommend flipping the boat over and pulling on the edges of the floor and more importantly the transom. If things are becoming unglued, then the entire floor will need to be reglued. If it is only a couple of spots you might be able to put off the major rebuild for awhile, by just fixing the bad spots. Eventually the glue will all need replacement. Slowly I have been fixing all of my glued spots. That includes things like the bow ring, and the other parts outside the floor. Even my speed tube came loose and had to be reglued. Gorilla (Duct) tape got me through one more adventure though.

You will want to work with the boat full of air, including while reglueing everything.

Feel free to ask the questions you want. Myself and others will do our best to answer them
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Peter is absolutely correct that when you get seam separation you should open up any seam sections that will pull apart without damaging the underlying layer of PVC. While my Futura came almost totally apart there were sections that would not. After 6 years neither those original bonds nor my reglued seams have failed. Don't hesitate with the transom if the bonds are weak!

Here is a link to how professionals use the two part glue. Don't ignore the environmental limits. Buy a cheap hygrometer and watch the humidity. Two part glues are hydrophylic and humid conditions will weaken the bond significantly. Getting the right conditions in winter time can be difficult, but who would want to do this twice? Information From ShipStore.com | Zodiac Inflatable Boat Fabric Glue and Repair Instructions | GLUE from the ShipStore.com on-line catalog.

My Futura was in bad shape. I reglued almost everything including the transom. It was prohibitive to have the work done elsewhere. Maybe a new Futura would have been a good call. It wasn't easy, but my Futura goes out through head high surf and has taken me to remote locations without issue. I hydrofoil and wakeboard behind it when the ski boat is down and nothing has failed yet. A smart choice? Maybe not, but I'm not sorry I took on the project. Have fun!
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