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Old 21 January 2007, 22:55   #1
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I am with a small Rescue unit set up in Ireland, We are thinking of buying a Quicksilver 4.30 HD with a 30hp engine, what kind of speeds will it be able to reach, many thanks!
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I am with a small Rescue unit set up in Ireland, We are thinking of buying a Quicksilver 4.30 HD with a 30hp engine, what kind of speeds will it be able to reach, many thanks!
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Have you looked at Achilles SSL385 Ceasar Surf Cat and Avon ERB400 also the Arancia 388 and Gemini Surf GRX 400 and the GRX 420

All can operate well with the engine size you talk about ,as for speeds it depends on how much weight you are carrying and the conditions you are operating in but a 30hp is adequate for IRB work and probably the most popular size , Have you approached any dealers in your area to see if they will discount you as you are a Rescue Unit
Surf Lifesaving Association GB favour the Arancia as do the RNLI Lifeguards .
I would look at the other boats as although the Quicksilver is a good SIB I am not sure if it is as tough as some of the other's mentioned if you can afford it go for a SIB made of Hypolon
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Old 22 January 2007, 09:14   #3
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I am with a small Rescue unit set up in Ireland, We are thinking of buying a Quicksilver 4.30 HD with a 30hp engine, what kind of speeds will it be able to reach, many thanks!
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We had two of these on with a 25hp late 20 knots and a 40hp late 30 knots, great boats, the only thing missing is elphant trunks.

With five year full warranty and under £1000 ex engine they are great.

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i had one of these, it was a great fun boat and took it in to some serious surf, i had a new tohatsu 40 on mine, will u mail pics later, mine did 33 knots WOT you really had to hang on tho!!
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We had two of these on with a 25hp late 20 knots and a 40hp late 30 knots, great boats, the only thing missing is elphant trunks.

With five year full warranty and under £1000 ex engine they are great.

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Check that the warranty will cover rescue work (It may be reduced)
The others I mentioned are designed with this type of use in mind.
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Check that the warranty will cover rescue work (It may be reduced)
The others I mentioned are designed with this type of use in mind.
5 Year Commercial Warranty
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Cheap rig then
I would consider some closed cell foam for the deck and some foot straps.
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thanks for all your replys! I thought the max engine size is 30hp, can it hold a 40hp?
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as promised a pic of mine that i used to have last year, the original brochure showed a 40 but with the introduction of the 40 four strokes that were heavier they downgraded to a 30 !! or thats what they told me anyway, it was under the transom weight, went well,
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so can you put any size engine on (within reason, maybe +/-10hp) as long as its under the max engine weight?
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They do state 30hp now, check with your dealer and insurer to be sure.
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They do state 30hp now, check with your dealer and insurer to be sure.
Yep I would say Jono is right Re Insurance. DO check out the ETEC tho, itis lighter from all the debate on this forum and thus as a rescue craft increases your power to weight ratio if you have to make pick ups.
You do not say (unless I missed it) what you need it exactly for, I am guessing a a dingy sailing school. If so and for example (I know there afew members who do this and can guide better than I. I have seen what they do in the thread, "ok so who are we" or something like that. I will search for it if you need me to), then you will need towing power at low revs to trail half dozen dingys home in calm etc.
I am sure the no service needed will be most useful for three years.
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The boat will be used as a Rescue/Recovery craft in the River Lee in cork out towards and in the harbour, i have seen pics with a 40hp on her, if she can handle it thats what i'd like, is it that if the engine is under its max weight evn if its a 30/40hp you can put her on...

it says max engine weight is 80kgs and max engine is 30hp, if i find a 40hp under 80kgs can i put it on? will it not be too powerfull for the boat?
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Yep I would say Jono is right Re Insurance. DO check out the ETEC tho, itis lighter from all the debate on this forum and thus as a rescue craft increases your power to weight ratio if you have to make pick ups.
Has Evinrude introduced a 30 hp ETEC ??? I thought the lowest powered ETEC was 40 hp (which weighs about 235 lbs).
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The boat will be used as a Rescue/Recovery craft in the River Lee in cork out towards and in the harbour, i have seen pics with a 40hp on her, if she can handle it thats what i'd like, is it that if the engine is under its max weight evn if its a 30/40hp you can put her on...

it says max engine weight is 80kgs and max engine is 30hp, if i find a 40hp under 80kgs can i put it on? will it not be too powerfull for the boat?
Just check ETEC 40 as atached
http://www.brp.com/en-GB/Products/Ev...oductID=ETEC40
I think it may be too heavy.
It must be for support to the Rowing Clubs is it. I trained with them along time ago (LEE Rowing Club). Cork, The Capital of Europe......
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Has Evinrude introduced a 30 hp ETEC ??? I thought the lowest powered ETEC was 40 hp (which weighs about 235 lbs).
Right again PT, Just testing!!!! (thanks!)

Just checked. 105-109 KGS YEP around the 245 mark.
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If those 40 - 60 hp ETECs were anywhere close to the weight of equally powered carbed 2 strokes (or even a 4 stroke Honda, for that matter), I'd be all over them like ugly on an ape.
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I have attached some photos of the Ceasar Surfcat. This is being used widely in the Southern Hemisphere as a rescue craft. We recommended a maximum of a 50HP Tohatsu until the new laws came in. However, I do know that one of our dealers in the South West has a second hand one which is shown in the photos. If you are interested please contact them on +44(0) 1271 863066 or duncan.thompson@mullacottmarine.com. I have also attached the price sheet for a new one if you were interested. If you want any further information then please let us know.
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I had a 430 HD with a 30 Merc on the back. I have driven quite a few SIBs as a diver, and I would not go near the Quicksilver as a rescue boat. They have a tendancy to fold at the bow, just where you need the strength, if the tubes are not absolutely fully inflated. In my opinion the stringers are not carried far enough forward, and the aluminium floor boards on mine had some very questionable sharp edges that really have no place on an inflatable boat. Engine size - I found the 30 plenty scarry enough on such a light boat. Also given the requirements of a safety boat, I would go for one with hypalon tubes as others have mentioned here. Just my opinion
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Ceasar,

Are the Surfcats available in PVC only, or is hypalon also an option (realizing there would a peformance loss with hypalon)? Those Surfcats look sharp, I would imagine the hull design is very efficient

Another hull that is similar to this is the Gemini Surf. They are available in either PVC or hypalon in either the standard 4.2 m or 4.0 lengths or in a specialised 3.8 m rescue version that uses hypalon only.

http://education.lifesaving.com.au/t...g%20Manual.pdf

You could probably even be able to specify heavy hypalon (Oca 866 - 1670 dtx), or double skinned PVC the 4.2 m model.


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