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Old 20 January 2009, 15:13   #11
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I considered one of these for quite a while, but never saw one in the flesh. Since getting my SIB though, I'm very pleased I went this way.
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Old 21 January 2009, 22:58   #12
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They look more like an origami coffin than a boat.
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Old 22 January 2009, 11:03   #13
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unlike an inflatable which usually supports the full load if even fully swamped i dont think this would come near ,even with bouyancy , not taking into account any extras eg ,engine ,fishing tackle,yacht stores , ,you may have a chance at rocking the swamped boat to spill some water out then try to reboard, the only thing that it may be better at than an inflatable is when rowing ,looks to me like in the first pic that someones run a truck over it in a car park .
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Old 22 January 2009, 13:02   #14
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2-Punctures easily if you hit a sharp rock
False : Will depend on the fabric used, PVC, Akron, Hypalon and it's thickness.
If it's that sharp I would think it would puncture the Portacrap sorry bote
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Old 22 January 2009, 22:14   #15
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I got to see one in "action" first hand. First I would have to say it is not exactly crap. For what it is, it is not the worst thing I could think of. That being said, at its price point and performance level I would say no thank you. An older gentleman was using it to fish here in Jamaica Bay (Brooklyn, USA). He had a 6hp outboard (forgot the brand) and the thing moved along well, though far from planing. It seemed to rock a bit more than I would like but in most respects, I viewed it as another solution to fit a need. Portable, stowable boating pleasure. To that end it is a success. I personally would not purchase one (although it was on my list when I was shopping) but I would not exactly berate someone who did.

On the SIB side, the performance of my Quicksilver 340s (with added airdeck) trounces the Portabote. Assembly and disassembly times were about even. With a 6hp at full throttle and 1 up I can probably just achieve planing speed (which the portabote could not). With my 15hp (which the portabote could not handle) I could run SERIOUS rings around the portabote. When the guy told me where he was fishing (he had a nice catch of bluefish I was eager to duplicate) he said I should try it, it was only a half hour run, I thought to myself I know where that is and it isn't 15 minutes from here. Hell I usually won't even stop there it doesn't seem far enough away from shore!. I think that is one of the biggest differences. From what I saw in use, I wouldn't care to venture too far or too fast in the portabote. I have traveled way too far (read, "oh s#i+!, i'm almost out of fuel") and almost too fast (at least for a sharp turn) at 21 mph. Can't even begin to imagine a portabote doing that. Doesn't hurt that the Quicksilver was significantly cheaper than a portabote!!!
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Old 22 January 2009, 22:59   #16
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There are a couple of guys that surf around the point here in San Diego using one of these boats. Pretty amazing that they occasionally round the shelf area off the point in a vessel with so little freeboard at all. They do stick to the surf spot inside of the point when there is real surf. The two of them get back in the boat as a two man drill. One weighting a side and the other pulling over the opposite side from on top his surfboard. Guess they aren't taking too big of a risk since they are in wetsuits, have surfboards and it's just a long paddle home? It isn't just an issue of the vessel remaining afloat, I kind of like it when my engine doesn't get swamped. I thought my boat was a toy...
Gees!!! I am going to keep my eyes open for that one off Cabrillo.
Would make some entertaining photos to watch anyone get in it from the water
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Old 23 January 2009, 09:37   #17
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I can't see the point of a portaboat, it certainly would not come close to a SIB in terms of seaworthiness or ability to handle the larger portable outboards. In fact, I can't see it being anymore stable or buoyant than a fairly wide, closed-deck canoe with a square stern that would be capable of handing a similar sized outboard. For transportatation with a car, it would require a roof roof rack just like a canoe does, plus the additional setup time that a canoe would not need. For the company to try to hype their product as a better option than a SIB is an apple & oranges comparison that fails miserably.
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Old 23 January 2009, 09:54   #18
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Portatoy

Reading all comments on this origami flimsy toy, must say that if this is your first time water transport, probably you'll find it exceptional and eye catching, pic-1, untill you have the opportunity to be in command of a sib and make a real sea trial comparisson. Afterwords, the owner will probably dispose off properly his Portatoy in a huge container, if he's lucky to find one once arrived to shore. "Thumbs-Up"

This is a completely personalized & much nicer version of a Portatoy, the standard one is awful, hope that 50 thousand boats sold worldwide as stated on their web site, have same equal content owners. Who knows...

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I can see why the portabote has appeal for some. Certainly would open up some small lakes and bays to those who have limited transportation options. Those flimsy walls buckle and bend, but they have stood up to two surfers boarding and it sure does fold down flat. However, as we all know, the urge to extend whatever boat you have into new adventures is universal. The margin for error on the portabote seems a little thin. The two surfers I posted about putted around the point in their portabote recently. I thought they were a little agressive in their shortcut. Just after they cleared the shelf area a nice set of waves rolled through. Being lucky is sometimes better than being smart? They know they are pushing their luck and don't seem too worried about the boat and the motor getting swamped. I think they got the boat for free.
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Disadvantages Of An Inflatable: (Mostly Lies)

1-Takes between a half hour and an hour to inflate or deflate.
False : Not with double action pumps or electric inflators.

2-Punctures easily if you hit a sharp rock
False : Will depend on the fabric used, PVC, Akron, Hypalon and it's thickness.

3-Inflated tubes uses up 30% to 40% of available interior space – unless they are punctured!
No answer for this one, what the heck! At least have tubes to sit on comfortably.

4- Portabote needs only a small 4HP- 6HP outboard to go up to 15 mph with one person. Portabote will get up on a plane with as little as 2 HP with one person aboard!. Inflatables needs at least a 20 HP outboard weighing over 120 pounds (54.5kg) for similar performance.
False : Any sib up to 12" will fly with a 20 HP engine, besides who will go out with such small 4-6 HP engines and have full day cruising divertimento ?

5-No pumps, no patch kit, no more worrying about a popped air chamber, no more trying to stop the slow leaks that develop every day you own an inflatable boat. Over 70% of new Portabote owners are former inflatable owners who have "had it" with all the hassle involved with an inflatable.
False: Must be real sib newbies that couldn't take the sib out of the bag.


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1- Ten minutes to inflate and rig a Zodiac Fastroller.

2- I don't see many Portajokes running the white water rapids of the Colorado!

3- Try sitting six people (or one, for that matter) on the portacoffin's gunnels.

4- Portacarton will plane with a 2 hp....only if someone has removed a 0 sticker from the cowl. I'd expect like for like performance for a given horsepower, except that on an inflatable with 20 horses, I wouldn't be worried about the transom overtaking me.

5- Sounds like Porta-pottie must have quite a few disgruntled, ex SIB owning Porcupines as customers.


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