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Old 22 January 2015, 11:32   #31
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Good to know about the Zodiac. I had a dealer tell me that the Saturn boats were just as good if not better quality than the Zodiacs he used to own/sell, which I was skeptical from the start about. I think what I'll do to make sure the air floor stays hole-free and clean is to cut a piece of marine grade carpet to go over, with some underhanging flaps that fit snugly around the edges and under the floor it to keep the carpet in place.

What I didn't notice at first is that the Futura actually takes 20" shaft motors, I've been seeing a lot more long shaft 20HP 2-strokes lying around on the internet than short shaft ones. I think 20HP is the upper limit of what someone can mount onto a transom by hand, Mercury Marine told me the same thing when I called to ask about that.

What would be a ballpark estimate of how much it'd cost to have a Futura re-glued by a pro after it starts pulling apart in 10 years?
Pic of my air floor covered with carpet. Laid the floor out over the carpet and cut it two inches more going around. Tuck it in around between tubes and floor before my final inflation. Never has come out. Makes the boat a lot more comfortable.

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Old 22 January 2015, 11:38   #32
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Old 22 January 2015, 11:45   #33
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Pic of my air floor covered with carpet. Laid the floor out over the carpet and cut it two inches more going around. Tuck it in around between tubes and floor before my final inflation. Never has come out. Makes the boat a lot more comfortable.

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^That is the *exact* same idea i had! That looks awesome. Happy to see it's an idea that actually works, there really needs to be something covering an air floor. Running it bare seems like asking for trouble.
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Old 22 January 2015, 15:54   #34
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Well I called up a whole bunch of the dealers on Zodiac's list top performing dealers, they pretty much told me the Futura is *not* a boat that lends itself to portability and urged me to look at the 360 Fastroller instead. I think that is sound advice and will save me $2500, pretty much settled on that now.
The Zodiac Fastrollers are good. They're an all welded construction.

The only adhesive on the boat are the pac-man patches on the bottom corners of the transom, and where the floor material overwraps the bottom of the transom.

The only thing I can comment is yes, the air floors are one more thing to maintain...be sure to hit them with 303 protectant on a regular basis.

Also, buy an electric pump. I think I've only met two people who ever inflated their floors to the correct pressure.
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Old 22 January 2015, 18:31   #35
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@philpot. I never had a seam problem. The only issue i had was glue failure around transom area including handles becoming unglued.
Sorry, I used the wrong term.

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Old 29 January 2015, 18:09   #36
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Does anyone have experience with the PVC Defender 380? It looks way better built and sportier than the 360 Fastroller. The only thing is it weighs 220lbs instead of 100lbs (slightly more than double the Zodiac).

I don't have a 20 or 25 HP motor to stick on the back, I just can't carry one around by hand each time I go to use the boat. Though I did find a very nice 2-stroke 15 horse Merc. Not sure how fast that will push 2 people along... How much less speed/performance should I expect out of the heavier Defender?

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Old 29 January 2015, 18:49   #37
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If i am not mistaking, i believe that is a zodiac brand boat rebadged to defender. I read somewhere that alot of these inflatable companies use zodiac to build boats then rebadge them. Then again just something i read. I could be wrong
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If i am not mistaking, i believe that is a zodiac brand boat rebadged to defender. I read somewhere that alot of these inflatable companies use zodiac to build boats then rebadge them. Then again just something i read. I could be wrong
After a little investigation i dont think that's the case. It's a Defender designed and built model. It's just too heavy for its size, and the reps over at Defender are way less helpful than the ones I've encountered at IBC and Annapolis anyway.

The Fish N Hunt 360S at IBC looks very enticing after checking it out again. Has me wondering what makes the air floor of the 360FR anywhere near worth the extra $1.3k. Maybe slightly more space up front because of the nose shape? Though the "sport" nose as the rep called it seems like it'd cut better through choppy waters than the wide Cadet nose. Only other options I see at this point besides those two is the 350 Zoom.
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I own the zoom 350. Used it for two years do far. The glue on the boats is very poor construction. I had to reglue the right side of the transom and the left side is peeling also. Also one of my valves are leaking (easy fix). Only thing i like about this boat is the wood floor. Makes it super solid to stand on. If i can go 2 years back i would buy something else. Something thats thermowelded instead of glued seams
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After a little investigation i dont think that's the case. It's a Defender designed and built model. It's just too heavy for its size, and the reps over at Defender are way less helpful than the ones I've encountered at IBC and Annapolis anyway.

The Fish N Hunt 360S at IBC looks very enticing after checking it out again. Has me wondering what makes the air floor of the 360FR anywhere near worth the extra $1.3k. Maybe slightly more space up front because of the nose shape? Though the "sport" nose as the rep called it seems like it'd cut better through choppy waters than the wide Cadet nose. Only other options I see at this point besides those two is the 350 Zoom.
Zoom = Made in China, glued construction
Fish N Hunt = Made in China, glued construction
Fastroller = Made in France, all welded construction except the pie cut patches on the transom corners and where the floor wraps over the transom wood.
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