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Old 19 January 2015, 18:12   #11
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The glue for the floor and other accessories will often fail in 10 years on Zodiacs PVC boats. The tubes are thermo-bonded and do not fail very often. Unfortunately it is a lot of work to re-glue the floor and the transom, so the boat repair becomes cost prohibitive to repair by a pro. DIY is just a lot of time, and a few materials. My Zodiac is 23 years old and still has a few years left in it.
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The glue for the floor and other accessories will often fail in 10 years on Zodiacs PVC boats. The tubes are thermo-bonded and do not fail very often. Unfortunately it is a lot of work to re-glue the floor and the transom, so the boat repair becomes cost prohibitive to repair by a pro. DIY is just a lot of time, and a few materials. My Zodiac is 23 years old and still has a few years left in it.
Every Futura i gave estimates to fix blew out because of under-inflation and/or a bad trailer setup. I've seen my share of old adhesive, but these were all solid bonds... When you see ply delamination, it's not the adhesive.
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Every Futura i gave estimates to fix blew out because of under-inflation and/or a bad trailer setup. I've seen my share of old adhesive, but these were all solid bonds... When you see ply delamination, it's not the adhesive.
No doubt a lot of the issues are directly related to the instances you described. Myself and many others on this board have had to repair the glue on our boats for failure due to one reason or another. So far with my own boat every part that was glued has failed. The handles falling off was the last instance. Definitely a glue failure, and it is well documented. How they are stored is probably 90% of it.
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No doubt a lot of the issues are directly related to the instances you described. Myself and many others on this board have had to repair the glue on our boats for failure due to one reason or another. So far with my own boat every part that was glued has failed. The handles falling off was the last instance. Definitely a glue failure, and it is well documented. How they are stored is probably 90% of it.
Your boat is also 230% of what the industry considers to be a serviceable lifespan. It goes to show though, gluing isn't hard...just tedious! If you're willing to do the upkeep, PVC will last.
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Old 20 January 2015, 10:49   #15
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I have a chrap chinese version the zoom 350s and 1.5 years in ( last year around july) i had to reglue one side of th transom the the tubes. Second side is beggining to fail also, will reglue around april before boating season starts. To the op: i am one of those that fold up aftet every use. I have a 350 with wood floor. Spent 1k on the boat. Setup is fun because you are excited to get on the water. Break down is the problem. After a day of captain, boy i am tired and you will be too. A lot also depends on where your using it (salt water or fresh). Salt water will eat the glue super fast. i can comfortably fit 1 more person and alot of gear or 2 more people with minimul fishing gear and still be faily confortable but thats it. If you just want to cruise around, tan, snorkle or goof around even a 365 will do you justice. When inflating i do not use a gauge, i use rule of thumb (the harder the better, same rules as in the bedroom) (this measurement is a curtesy of alfamle aka Al) i will repeat one more time. Worry about break down and cleaning it instead of size of the boat. Also buy an electric pump with your launch wheels. Azzuro mare is a good boat. My friend owns one. My best recommendation is( do not buy a long term boat if you will deflate after every use) inflating and deflating puts a lot of pressure on the glue. Buy a cheap 1k boat thats at least 1100 denier use it for 3 years then on to the next one.
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So you don't think I should buy the Futura if I intend to deflate it every time? Realistically, the boat will get used a max 4 times per month. And when it isn't summer, the garage is heated so it'd always be stored warm.

I will say though, I am skeptical as to what exactly I'm getting in exchange for $3,500 more with the Futura besides an extra couple feet in length, compared to the Azzurro Mare. If the Futura would indeed last me more than twice as long as the AM, then really it doesn't need much explaining and I'd theoretically be getting more boat for my money with the Futura. But they both have a 5-year warranty...

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Old 20 January 2015, 12:59   #17
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The Zodiac is thermowelded which is super strong compared to the glued saturn aka azzuro. Hands down you get a better quality boat in the zodiac. But for 3k you can get the f-rib which if it is really nice. If its really as good ad they claim then that would be a better purchase for you at near same price. I don't care what anyone says, air floor is not as reliable as hard floor. I personally use my boat for fishing about 3-4 times a month from april/may - November. Once again i say thermwelded zodiac is hard to match. No boat shop will touch your boat if its glued. So thermoweld is the way to go. I believe F-Rib is thermowelded
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Good to know about the Zodiac. I had a dealer tell me that the Saturn boats were just as good if not better quality than the Zodiacs he used to own/sell, which I was skeptical from the start about. I think what I'll do to make sure the air floor stays hole-free and clean is to cut a piece of marine grade carpet to go over, with some underhanging flaps that fit snugly around the edges and under the floor it to keep the carpet in place.

What I didn't notice at first is that the Futura actually takes 20" shaft motors, I've been seeing a lot more long shaft 20HP 2-strokes lying around on the internet than short shaft ones. I think 20HP is the upper limit of what someone can mount onto a transom by hand, Mercury Marine told me the same thing when I called to ask about that.

What would be a ballpark estimate of how much it'd cost to have a Futura re-glued by a pro after it starts pulling apart in 10 years?
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Probably half the price of the boat. But i am no pro and know very little about marine labor per hour charges or how ever they decide to rip you off. Repair shop is there to make money. Try your best to never end up there.
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I had a dealer tell me that the Saturn boats were just as good if not better quality than the Zodiacs he used to own/sell, which I was skeptical from the start about.
Ask him specifically what he means by "quality". Fit and finish doesn't mean much if it lasts 3 years vs 12 (or insert your own numbers.)

I don't think the Chinese rebadges really have the time in service to be ab;e to compare to the "classic" brands.

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