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Old 16 July 2012, 10:33   #1
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Over regulation?

When I was a kid near Boston, Lincs, Dad and I had a 9 foot clinker dinghy with a Sea Bee 3hp on it. We had it on pram wheels and would walk it down to one of the "Witham Navigable Drains" or to the Witham itself, or to the tidal Haven.

We launched it anywhere we could get to the water, and we didn't have licences, insurance, certificates of competency or safety certificates.

We had a ball!

In 5 or 6 years of doing this, the only incident we had was when the outboard picked up an angler's line and pulled his fishing rod into the water. It was all sorted very quickly and ended in fits of giggles all round.

Fast Forward 50 odd years. Now, to do the same thing in those same places we'd need everything bar the safety certificate. In addition, there would be local regulations, telling us that we'd need enough safety gear to sink a liner; where and how we should launch; how our insurance should be for 5 million pounds, and how we must belong to a local club. And someone would be at the launch site with a Debit Card machine.

Actually, I've got the insurance; I've got Powerboat Intermediate, and we carry the gear we know we might need.
But we do that because we want to. What we don't want is some officious jobsworth from the Council or the Environment Agency telling us what we can or cannot do.

Rant over, but I'll ask a question: is boating, with all the regulations we now have, any safer than it was 50 years ago? I very much doubt it.
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Old 17 July 2012, 08:39   #2
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Ah the old j.a.p engined Sea Bee what memories , like a streamlined seagull lol the same type engine powered our lawn mower too .
we had one powering a home built 6 foot pram dinghy that me old man made for me in the early 1960s in the front room of our house when I was 6 out of a sheet of 10 x 4 marine ply

Pull and go just had to remember which way the boat was pointing if it dident start ,
Only incident we ever had was the local fire brigade engine each month would test their fire hoses out and have a play squirting water about onto the canal , one fireman decided it would be funny to give me a short blast which blew me out of the boat my old man was not too pleased about it .
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Rant over, but I'll ask a question: is boating, with all the regulations we now have, any safer than it was 50 years ago? I very much doubt it.
Its a recurring theme which has been discussed on here many a time. In general boating in the UK is still completely unregulated and any idiot can turn up and go. I've only ever had to produce a certificate of insurance once and that was to use a slipway by special arrangement. Nobody, including the insurance co, has ever been interested in my competence or otherwise.
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I am all for safety !
But like most things having lots of rules and regulations and certifications somewhere down the line it's just becomes a money making product to sell to someone .
my I.c.c. Runs out shortly, only this morning I received a reminder letter saying to renew it it's now going to cost me 50 for another 5 years for what.
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Wait unti you have to send in the renewal form, even though the RYA have issued you one in the past and have your details, you have to re send proof of ID and residency like driving licence e.t.c. AGAIN, what an absolute waste of everyones time and money with idiotic bureaucratic systems, got to try and justify the rip off 50 fee somehow
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Rant over, but I'll ask a question: is boating, with all the regulations we now have, any safer than it was 50 years ago? I very much doubt it.
IMHO 50 years ago (I don't quite remember 50 years ago, maybe40), most people who went boating had a boating background, grew up with the hazards and the do's and dont's of boating they knew it could be dangerous.
Nowadays it's just anyone with some gear and no idea, plus there are ten times as many on the water so incidents are going to go up.
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And of course common sense isn't as common as it used to be......
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going to cost me 50 for another 5 years for what
if ya dont need it, and don't know "for what" , then don't renew it - job done surely.
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And of course common sense isn't as common as it used to be......
Nostalgia is not was it used to be either.
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if ya dont need it, and don't know "for what" , then don't renew it - job done surely.
Ok i know what its actually for I took the test so i am not exactly a retard though a few may beg to differ lol
why not make it a lifetime issue ,it's not like you need to do a refresher course or test every 5 years or have a drugs or medical test for it .
Just seems to be a monopoly money making jobs for the boys type of thing .

my wife took her cycling proficency test when she was 8 years old but she doesent have to renew it and part with a load of cash every 5 years
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