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Old 17 July 2012, 02:44   #11
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See willk's discussion/link above for a huge discussion on what kit to carry - he's too modest to sticky it himself but we could ask Polwart if he would do it for him...
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A fire extinguisher is not required on a boat this small of open construction. For good reason, if anything small is on fire throw it overboard. If its at all large its going to melt the tubes in a second and you'll be in the water. Its a pointless item to bring along and have rattling around in a 10ft SIB.
Mmm I agree. Here in Spain it is the only mandatory kit I do not take in my boat.
But you cannot throw overboard a burning engine, can you? A hot outboard, a broken gas pipe and gas is a bad mix.
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Old 17 July 2012, 05:29   #13
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Just wondering how many small outboards actually catch fire , I can understand electrical fittings such as starter / battery's wiring shorting out perhaps but on manual start outboards I think the chances of an engine fire are very rare let's face it unless there's fuel leaking out and you have a naked flame lit , if your engine gets on fire the last thing I would want to do would be to lift the hood to squirt the extinguisher into it , I think most boat fires are cruiser cabin types with cooking facility's or inboard engines .
And if your flare pack ignites a fire extinguisher would be useless anyhow
I used to carry a small powder one but looking at the few seconds that it would last it would have to be a good first hit .
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Old 17 July 2012, 05:38   #14
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A fire extinguisher is not required on a boat this small of open construction. For good reason, if anything small is on fire throw it overboard. If its at all large its going to melt the tubes in a second and you'll be in the water. Its a pointless item to bring along and have rattling around in a 10ft SIB.
In the UK as a mariner you have a duty to help others in distress, I have just fitted a fire extinguisher on my boat, only a small one, but I have a lot of electronics, 2 x 25ltr petrol tanks, a small spark from a battery terminal and fuel vapour and you just never know, my biggest fear is fire on a boat whether the RIB or mother ship, I have all defences I feel appropriate in place. If I saw another boat on fire with a person on board who could not be bothered to buy one, hopefully I could let them use mine in order to fight the fire, obviously depends on the fire but without getting into sillly arguments I think you know what I mean
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Old 17 July 2012, 05:51   #15
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OP - my 9.8hp 2S runs Wide Open Throttle at about 4.5L/hour (1.2USG) and a 25Nm day out for me comes in at 2.5USG. However, that is one up with no camping gear. The big issue as I see it is will your rig get on the plane with all that load in it. If you don't, then you're in bother, if it does you're still going to be running at high revs all day. Either way, your fuel consumption is going to be higher than mine. However, IIWY, I'd look hard at the load and space on that SIB and maybe try it out somewhere when the outcome isn't important (so no pressure to continue). A small boat like that won't handle much by way of waves when loaded and you may find that you feel happier sitting in the boat, rather than on the tubes. I appreciate that mine is a little smaller, but I'm just saying...
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Fire

10" SIBs (aka Tenders ) generally don't carry a fire extinguisher. There isn't a lot of firefighting deck space on a SIB. I considered the "fire under the hood" scenario and have decided that in such an event I would:

Kill the OB
Wet my hat and block the air intake on the OB
CAREFULLY remove the fuel line
Wet a fleece and wrap the OB
Get on the VHF

I certainly would NOT remove the cover of a burning outboard to play around with a mickey mouse fire extinguisher
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Old 17 July 2012, 06:14   #17
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I considered the "fire under the hood" scenario and have decided that in such an event I would:
Unspin the clamps and flip the f'ker overboard.

Give it a few mins, haul it back out on the lanyard and call it lots of rude names.
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If the situation allowed for it - certainly. However, my lanyard purposefully doesn't allow the bracket to clear the transom, so it would have to be "Sayonara Waaay-haaay Toohotsue"
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Electrical spares kit, fuses, some wire, connectors e.t.c. a fire extinguisher, spare clothing (dependent on weather)
Not only is a fire extinguisher pretty pointless on a SIB, but since he doesn't have any electrickery he doesn't really need spares. The only fuse on his outboard (if any) will normally have a spare sitting right beside it. I guess you could offer it as part of your damsel in distress kit... ...on 10ft boat probably best to leave it to someone else.

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I'm lead to believe I get an hour a gallon per 10hp under good conditions. 9 gal = 9 hours travel doesn't sound like much from here - Fri thru Sunday, but I want to believe you're right, that it's overkill.
that should be your worst rather than your best conditions. 9 hours, even over an entire weekend is quite a long time in a blow up boat. You could easily cover 100 miles in that time.
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Example: This weekend we're leaving the Duwamish and heading to Blake Island. That's a little over 10 miles one way, 20 miles round trip, plus whatever noodling around happens. I don't know if I can refuel on Blake but I assume not.
With 9 hours of fuel you could do that trip at 3 knots and still have spare!
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Chart plotting - right now was going to use iPhone with GPS module and Navionics/Memory Map. Planned to throw a laminated real map and compass somewhere in the kit for backup.
Make sure you pack some sort of 'reserve' power as an iPhone will never last 9 hours using the GPS and screen continuously.

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Mmm I agree. Here in Spain it is the only mandatory kit I do not take in my boat. But you cannot throw overboard a burning engine, can you? A hot outboard, a broken gas pipe and gas is a bad mix.
You might be able to - but a fire that can't be put out using the willk method might be the only time worth abandoning ship. Certainly, even a reasonably large (2kg), dry powder cylinder isn't going to fare much better even in very light winds.

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In the UK as a mariner you have a duty to help others in distress,
to save life not to carry tools and equipment to save them - you've presumably never used a small dry powder extinguisher if you think there is a realistic prospect of someone being in need of help, getting your attention, you getting to them and deploying it before it has become way too serious for what you have.
[quote[ a small spark from a battery terminal and fuel vapour and you just never know, [/quote] spark + fuel vapour = bang not something you can put out with coke bottle sized extinguisher. Electrical wiring is probably the only thing it will be much use for.
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The having a duty to respond and act to someone in distress in the uk is a fair point as long as your not putting your own boat and crew at risk ,
About 20 years ago a local fishing party boat with 11 persons onboard sank in moments about 3 miles off shore , 100 yards away my mate in his 15 ft grp day boat along with his 2 young children with him a 4 and 7 y/o , heard cries for help ,
As soon as he gets along side them and as no one is wearing lifejackets he gets everyone trying to clamber aboard , lucky for him no one had the energy to climb aboard but hang on until the pilot cutter came along side to recover them .

Even though lifeboats and crews are trained in firefighting and the larger boats carry a fire hose don't expect them to start fighting fire on your boat (thats if the lifeboat gets on fire ) that stopped in the early 1990 s. .
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