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Old 18 February 2011, 11:11   #11
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I take it you've never had to reverse to get onto a dock/pontoon?
Or turn boat in its own length?
Or tow a boat off a shallow shore?
or pick up a person from a beach with an onshore wind?
There are numerous occasion when you need to use more then "tickover" in proximity to other objects.


100's of miles a day? in a boat with a manually lifted engine? that's usually sub 40hp, which means a relatively small (or slow) boat, can you carry enough fuel for that sort of running?

How often are you running these 100 mile days? if often you would surely get to know the areas to beware of, in which case the water is not unknown.

If you are 50 miles into your trip and smack a rock at WOT engine locked or not your going to damage your prop/bush /gearbox/driveshaft.

Like walking/paddling 50 miles I take it?

The chaps that design these engines are not stupid, you think they would give a lock on an engines (many newer ones engage soon as you put it into gear) if they were not needed/sensible?

I have seen the after effects on sailing dingies, and windsurfers of exactly the scenario we are talking about, all I can say is thank god its only fibre glass and not limbs.
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Old 18 February 2011, 11:40   #12
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How often are you running these 100 mile days? if often you would surely get to know the areas to beware of, in which case the water is not unknown.
P-T is a regular guy, so pretty regularly I'd say:

http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33116

http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?t=26453

I kinda like his style, in fact, the next time I visit Jura, I might just pack some artillery
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Old 20 February 2011, 11:30   #13
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I made no mention about running at WOT in areas you weren't sure about potential reefs, you use your best judgement if you are in a stretch where you suspect that there are uncharted reefs. Again, running in forward with the outboard locked down is just inviting all sorts of problems. The zapcat/thundercat racers use a bungee cord to apply some force to having the outboard stay in the down position, yet also allow some give. That way if a sandbar is struck at extremely high speed or the boat takes huge air and lands very hard, the outboard won't max out on it's up travel and wreck the bracket. My boat with my gear load will never approach the sort of speeds that the zap/thundercat racers run at. It is unlikely that I would max out the full up travel of my OB even if I did smack a rock at WOT. Having spare props on board is a must, and a good a skeg protector is also very important. I have a skeg protector but it is a very inefficient design, I'm planning on replacing it with something more sleek and hopefully just as effective.

As far as outings go, if I am on an outing with my GF and her 2 kids, our 1-3 day outings have been limited to 60 mile round trips so far. If on my own or with another experienced boater, 1-3 day outings are usually about 80-120 miles. The longest round trip that I remember was about 210 miles over 2 days (including a refuelling stop). I have a range of about 140 miles with 5 jerry cans aboard. I do carry tools extra fuel lines & fittings, handheld GPS & VHF, and most importantly a Spotme satellite signalling device, in addition to whatever basic outdoor gear that is suited to the conditions. I've posted reports of some trips on rib.net, many others I haven't.
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OK, I can see you have a very specialist use of boat and mention additionally a very specific class of boat in the zapcat, in addition you have a good knowledge of boating.

Most boaters, do not carry spares like props, and are not races only 100m from shore with lots of support watching on.

The vast majority of boaters use the boat once a month for 1 day in the sunshine, and forget most of the finer points of boating skills they learned on there Pboat l2 course or similar.

I know this as i've watched them (as we all have) and had to rescue them.
The thought of a panicked boater shoving the boat into reverse next to the dock or another boat, then watching the engine rear up with the prop wizzing round at 100's rpm makes me shudder.

Yes there can be cases for all sorts of different techniques, but don't confuse specialist techniques and methods for what is best practice for the majority,
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