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Old 18 July 2013, 15:20   #11
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I can get my 3.3 metre SIB, 18hp 2 stroke and all gear plus fuel in the back of my Vauxhall Vectra hatchback and still there's room for the single side rear seat to be used. Just.
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Old 18 July 2013, 15:59   #12
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I can get my 3.3 metre SIB, 18hp 2 stroke and all gear plus fuel in the back of my Vauxhall Vectra hatchback and still there's room for the single side rear seat to be used. Just.


used to have a hon t40 with alloy floor, was way too much trouble to assemble every time used to use a trailer , also alloy floor used to creak a lot when balancing on top of wave and broke a stringer several times air floor will ride better, with regards to engine ,if you are transporting in car a 2 stroke can be laid down ,but a 4 stroke can't ( due to engine oil ).
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Old 19 July 2013, 04:28   #13
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with regards to engine ,if you are transporting in car a 2 stroke can be laid down ,but a 4 stroke can't ( due to engine oil ).
4 str can still be laid down but they are rather particular about which way...
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Thanks guys, going for the Honwave T38 instead now, airfloor and so compacts down much better, hopefully If I can't get it into the back of the car deflated, I'll buy a roofbox instead
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Had lots of advice on another thread concerning engines, also supporting that 2str is probably a better option than 4str - so now I have the following queries:

- Is a 15hp 4str the same power output as a 15hp 2str? I assume so but thought it best to check

- Are 2str's as reliable as 4strs?

- Can anyone recommend brands to favour and brands to avoid?

- What features are mandatory for safe boating (right now I gather auto-neutral on start, cut-off pull cord)

How does this look?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-MARINE...item231116f52b

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Old 22 July 2013, 04:29   #16
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- Is a 15hp 4str the same power output as a 15hp 2str? I assume so but thought it best to check
Brand new out of the factory - yes. Very old 2-smokes will have measured engine output rather than propellor but if you are looking at anything 1990s + then I think they all measured power at the prop.

That said as a 15HP 2smoke is lighter you might got very slightly quicker. Not sure you'll notice the difference though!

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May be less to go wrong on a 2-smoke? Pre-mix versions suffer from bad mixing and some oiling of plugs if idiling a lot. Autolub versions the autolub could go wrong.

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Bit like asking for car recommendations! Different things please different people. One of the common recommendations is to go with something that has a dealer local to you so you can easily get parts, advice and service. If the nearest dealer is 100miles in the wrong direction you'll get cheezed...

All dealers are not the same either!
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- What features are mandatory for safe boating (right now I gather auto-neutral on start, cut-off pull cord)
So you need a kill cord. I don't think you can get a modern engine that doesn't have starting in gear protection.
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2 strokes are simple as it comes and if serviced and looked after as reliable as anything, much of the above dealer advice will not apply as you will be looking at a 2006 model or earlier in all probability as per previous posts. Autolube won't apply on these small under 15hp engines. Anyone with a socket set and spanners can service a 2 stroke at home - gear oil, plugs each year, less often clean the carb and change impeller and 'stat.

2 strokes are much lighter and pick up quicker than a 4 stroke, ideal for a SIB.

If going for a 15 2 smoke on a SIB you will be best looking at the Mariner, Mercury or Yamaha. These are the lightest, best known and easiest to sell on. Expect to pay typically 800 to 1300 depending on condition, age, private/dealer etc. Again, have a good search as this gets discussed all the time and lots of good advice out there.

That eBay listing you linked is commercial use only, you cannot buy one for private use under EU regs since 2007. It's a good choice but ypu'll find a nice mid 2000s one for 1200 or so and a lot less if you're patient and/or lucky.

Do bear in mind that you are getting into a heavy outfit now to deflate, inflate, set-up, carry engine, fuel etc - many have been there and got fed up (with the faff and time) and gone with a trailer...

In your position I'd strongly advice buying someone else's outfit second hand, you'll pay a lot less, let them take the huge depreciation hit and if it doesn't work out for you you can sell it on and try something else - I'm not sure but I don't think there are many people on here who stick with the first boat they bought and found it was exactly what they needed...
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Thanks all, really useful - I'll go trawling now to find a nice one, any tips on buying a used 2str, things to look for? I'd obviously want to see/hear it running, but other than that? Anyone have one for sale in the Bristol/Bath area?

Finally, I have read that 2str's are not allowed to be used, is that a UK thing, or US only?
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Thanks all, really useful - I'll go trawling now to find a nice one, any tips on buying a used 2str, things to look for? I'd obviously want to see/hear it running, but other than that? Anyone have one for sale in the Bristol/Bath area?

Finally, I have read that 2str's are not allowed to be used, is that a UK thing, or US only?
See posts above - you can use one or buy privately you just cannot buy new for private use due to EU emmission regs from 2007.

As I say I'd buy the whole outfit together second hand - you'll get a much better deal and find something probably bought new from a dealer by someone who used it a few times and found it wasn't for them. Buy new and that could be you!

Check eBay, Ribnet, Gumtree, Friday ads, Boats and Outboards, Apollo Duck - buyer beware of course.

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Finally, I have read that 2str's are not allowed to be used, is that a UK thing, or US only?
No.

1. Old technology 2 strokes are unable to comply with modern emissions regulations. These only apply to new engines being made or imported into the EU, for leisure use. Old engines already on the market are still perfectly legal. New engines using this tech can also still be bought for commercial, racing and rescue services.

2. New technology 2 strokes (using direct injection of the fuel into the cylinder) meet the tougher emissions requirements and are available from most manufacturers. Unfortunately the added complexity of the engine means they are heavier than their predecessors and as far as I remember nobody does one as small as 15 HP.
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