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Old 23 June 2009, 09:14   #11
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I hadn't been out in a very long time either - it really is like riding a bike!!!
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Old 23 June 2009, 16:07   #12
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Old 23 June 2009, 16:17   #13
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if you're coming up to knott end we will most likely be out somewhere or other-ring the mobile or call black magic on ch16 if ya need to talk to someone about it when you are there or whenever. Not always an easy slip (prepare your boat on the free car park) - and it does have its moments but a lot of the lads can be quite helpful as long as ya dont **** them off by blocking the slip or whatever. I'm sure you wouldnt anyway
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I must agree with codprawn on this one. Common sense is a thing of the past because no one is aloud to use it . The guy asking advice has common sense for asking on here, codprawn gave advice which was to use that common sense. WTF is wrong with that. We all know the sea can be dangerous place, that is one of the reasons I bought a boat. There is nothing wrong with asking advise, I do it all the time. The best advice I have ever been given was "use your common sense" in other words THINK!! use your brain and if you get it wrong it is your fault
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I wonder how people survived as kids with no lifejackets - no cycling helmets - no 20mph zones - no speed humps etc etc.
Yes, and people survived the dark ages despite lack of medical care; that doesn't mean that the Black Plague didn't lighten the population a bit.

In the US, they've now required kids to wear bicycling helmets. You can look at it as a windfall for helmet manufacturers, or as an over-reaching government trying to control the population. But if one kid has his or her life saved by crushing a piece of foam rather than their skull, I'd call it a plus, wouldn't you? It's easier to learn from your mistakes when they're not fatal.


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True. The smart ones also learn from others' mistakes.

As my dive instructor used to say: You've got to be tough if you're going to be stupid.

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Old 25 June 2009, 13:36   #16
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But if one kid has his or her life saved by crushing a piece of foam rather than their skull, I'd call it a plus, wouldn't you?
at the risk of possibly agreeing with codders - there is actually limited evidence that cycle helmets improve rider safety [I do wear a helmet when riding - but don't really expect it to save my life - more to reduce the pain from non-fatal accidents]. On the other hand - cycle training does seem to work to reduce casualty numbers/severity!

And if a friend on mine wanted to get back on his bike after 20 years out the saddle I would happily accompany him till he got his confidence back rather than say - the roads there, put your helmet on and use your common sense!
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at the risk of possibly agreeing with codders - there is actually limited evidence that cycle helmets improve rider safety [I do wear a helmet when riding - but don't really expect it to save my life - more to reduce the pain from non-fatal accidents]. On the other hand - cycle training does seem to work to reduce casualty numbers/severity!

And if a friend on mine wanted to get back on his bike after 20 years out the saddle I would happily accompany him till he got his confidence back rather than say - the roads there, put your helmet on and use your common sense!

At the risk of being the tipping point that gets this one sent off to the bilges, the evidence overwhelming supports the importance of wearing helmets when cycling. Last time I looke into this, well over 90% of all cycling fatalities were due to head injuries from the cyclists head impacting the ground.

Regardless, I do not like the idea of the government mandating that kids (or adults) wear helmets while riding bicycles. Nonetheless, schools should continue to run bicycle safety seminars for kids (wherein the importance of helmets is emphasized to them). Additionally, any parent that does not require their child to wear a helmet while riding a bicycle is an incompetent parent.
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At the risk of being the tipping point that gets this one sent off to the bilges,
OK - I'll split it into a new thread in the "other" area so we can continue the discussion. then when mollers joins in it can go to its final destination!

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we can always split it into a separate thread - but it doesn't belong in the bilges as it is a legitiamite topic for discussion at least until mollers joins in!.
Ah but you are assuming that helmets are actually effective. There is little evidence that wearing helmets actually reduces the fatality rates. http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1012.html there is too much info there to summarise here - but in brief the jury is still out on whether a helmet makes you less likely to die when on a bike.

Actually there are some people who believe that helmets may increase confidence and so cause riders (or drivers) to take bigger risks subconsciously. I am certainly conscious of the increased risk if I happen to not have my helmet on (or my lifejacket on the boat).
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Regardless, I do not like the idea of the government mandating that kids (or adults) wear helmets while riding bicycles. Nonetheless, schools should continue to run bicycle safety seminars for kids (wherein the importance of helmets is emphasized to them).
I think we are in violent agreement
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Additionally, any parent that does not require their child to wear a helmet while riding a bicycle is an incompetent parent.
I have to disagree. The wise parent encourages their child to informally risk assess the situation themselves and use a helmet as and when appropriate. For many that will be a helmet most of the time - but I don't believe it needs to be 100% universal, nor that parents should necessarily be criticised for not encouraging/demanding them. Part of the reason my son is expected to wear his helmet "all the time" is the social stigma that there would be (on me) if I let him do otherwise. I just don't believe it is incompetent parenting to consider not conforming - indeed encouraging children to think and challenge percieved norms is an important part of parenting.
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well not bad for a first post but how did we get onto cycle helmets? o well great info thanks all. have been given a 10hp four stroke so i think the first trip will be with that a lot less power to control
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well not bad for a first post but how did we get onto cycle helmets?
That's about par for the course. Welcome to the world of Ribnet!
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