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Old 07 September 2011, 02:27   #11
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I would be wary of buying an air floor unless you budget 120 for the 12v elec high pressure pump... in truth the footpump is marginal for achieving full floor pressure without a large amount of effort.
An expensive electric pump really isn't necessary just for the air floor. If you're happy pumping up the rest of the boat, then the floor shouldn't be difficult.

You mentioned a foot pump though, which may be the problem. I would recommend something like the Quicksilver double action stirrup pump which does the job without any trouble.

Having said all that, whatever floor you choose a good electric inflator does make boating much more enjoyable. It's not an airdeck specific thing though.
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Old 07 September 2011, 02:38   #12
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OK agreed elec pump not essential but *very* desireable if a boat is to be inflated every use. On the Fastroller 360 air floor (which includes HP keel from same valve) once you have the floor filled to LP the standard footpump needs changing to the HP (low volume) position and I reckon it needs another 100 or so very vigorous pumps to get the floor right to pressure... the last 2-3psi takes real effort.

I thought the footpump would be OK when I had the boat new and inflated in the comfort of the garage on a level carpeted floor but once at launch sites on uneven ground particularly if inflating on my own I soon forked out for the Bravo.

How does the Bombard floor inflate... one or two valve points? I guess that's around 11psi like the Zodiac??
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Old 07 September 2011, 02:54   #13
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As Fenlander has says do check back over the many topics in July discussing 'which SIB' - I would really think more than twice about buying new (applies to SIB or RIB) - you will loose a fortune if you decide that it was not quite right - as so many do. It was endlessy repeated in the topics above but weekly on eBay dozens of rigs came up that would be ideal (3.4 Zodiac/Quicksilver with a 2 stroke 9.8 circa 1500 to 1800).

Like most I will advise an air floor - and a Zodiac/Quicksilver or Honwave - all really well made, good design floor/keel and hold their value - have no worries about buying one 5 - 10 years old, they don't wear out if looked after, just be sure to inspect all the seams etc carefully for damage, tears, seperation.

Be careful when comparing lengths - these measure the total tube length and don't always reflect the interior space - some newer designs with rounded cones rather than the pointy ones affect this. The Honwave 3.25 is the same as a 3.4m in capacity - if it had pointed cones it would be called a 3.4.

Bigger than a 3.4m really needs a 15hp rather than a 9.8 which tips the balance between portability and practicality - the 3.4 really is a great SIB size for general use with plenty of space for 2+2. I would not go smaller but think very carefully about going bigger.

Engine is a big part too and you will soon see that most on here advise to stay away from 4 strokes (which you will be limited to if buying new) - a 5 to 8 year old 9.8 2 stroke Tohatsu, Mariner, Yamaha on a 3.4 is a great combo that you can manhandle over any beach. Will do 16 kts with two adults - four adults on a 3.4 is not ideal.

Again, check back over so many previous topics for pump/pressure advice.
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Old 07 September 2011, 03:54   #14
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Edit: Peter's advertising this SIB/engine:

Yam 330S + 15HP + Trailer package

It's not quite fitting your criteria but just posting it as it shows the sort of fantastic starter boat deal you can get for under 1500. Buy the equivilent of that lot new today and it will cost maybe 4k with no noticable advantage in use!!
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Old 07 September 2011, 04:33   #15
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Agreed that Yam outfit of Peter's looks very useful and great value. Good point too from Max re interior sizes being all important... and rounded/flat cone ends making comparisons difficult with older models. For example the current 3.25 Zodiac Fastroller is a fraction larger internally than the older pointy cone 3.4.
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Old 07 September 2011, 04:56   #16
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but there isn't much on the market here at the moment and to be honest I really, for the first time in my life, want something brand new !
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Howya, welcome to SIBnet. You're right about the secondhand market here in Ireland - a load of overpriced tat!

If you're shipping from the yUK, have a look at Ron Hale Marine (I bought my QS new from them). The deals were OK and they were VERY easy to work with.
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Old 07 September 2011, 08:24   #17
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How does the Bombard floor inflate... one or two valve points? I guess that's around 11psi like the Zodiac??

Bombard aerotec has 2 valves in the floor, one for each side.

I use supplied footpump for bulk inflation and then a 20 quid QS stirrup pump (as mentioned by John) to get floor to 11.4psi.

All in, takes about 15mins max and is really no stress at all.

Would also say have a look at RON HALE, I got my engine and bits and bobs from there. Painless, easy and cheapest online (at the time).

btw - glad you had such a good time up here on holiday Fenlander!!!
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Old 07 September 2011, 09:31   #18
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Yep brilliant time... possibly the best holiday launch area so far... Loch Duich from Dornie Bridge slip and Plockton village slip.

Thanks for the Bombard floor info. I just may be in the market for a used inflatable at winter prices and the 380 could go on the list.
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Right, now yis have me thinking seriously of going second hand !

The problem is, as was previously pointed out, the market in Ireland isn't great and the travel/shipping involved in buying in the UK pushes the price up a fair bit.

Willk - Thanks for the pointer towards Ron Hale. There are significant savings there compared to what I've been quoted here on similar packages.
(Where you based BTW?)

Looks like I've loads more research to do !

Thanks again for all the input.
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Hi mate , im selling this beauty SIB for sale
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