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Old 14 March 2006, 15:19   #11
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Hello Simon, did you knock the Bombard Aerotec 380 off your list as well or isn't it available in the UK ? I used one with a 25HP Suzuki and I have sweet memories of this setup.
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Old 14 March 2006, 16:49   #12
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Hello Simon, did you knock the Bombard Aerotec 380 off your list as well or isn't it available in the UK ?
Yes it's available, although for some strange reason the Bombard people decided not to have one at the London Boat Show, so I haven't seen one. But looking at the spec I found it was much narrower than the Zodiacs of the same length, so not so good for squeezing the whole family in, which was my reason for rejecting it.

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Old 14 March 2006, 16:52   #13
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Re my question about a line or leash .
Simon Obviously we all wear life jackets but that doesn't get you back to the boat .

Its not climbing back into the boat that is the problem , its physically getting to it .

I guess what mede me think of this was last year i went for a walk on the beach on a pretty windy day . The beach Lifeguards were all stood outside their hut watching their rescue Sib disapear down the coast . They had been out playing in the surf , flipped the boat and then found it was blown faster than they could swim , they said should have used a leash .

I was thinking about a velcro wrist strap with a metre or so of elastic and about 5m of thinish line in a throwbag .
The elastic would be a weak point and it could have other weak points tied in .
I have reservations but the alternative could be dying from Hypothermia or drowning in surf etc etc
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Old 14 March 2006, 17:45   #14
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I think a leash sounds like a good idea - only need to wear it on a windy day. Not sure id like to be physically attached to a SIB in surf though - it could rip your arm/leg off.

Or what about a sea anchor stowed in a pouch on the transom and attached to you along with kill cord - if you go over you pull and deploy the sea anchor as you go.

Interesting you should mention beach lifeguards. I have witnessed some serious "abuses" of RNLI equipment on beaches around Cornwall - mainly the beach rescue craft you talk about.

It infuriated me that money that was given to save lives was being wasted by a bunch of hooligans who were obviously only lifeguards to look cool and pull chicks.
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...only lifeguards to look cool and pull chicks.
Isn't that in their contract as "benefits package"?
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Old 14 March 2006, 18:42   #16
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Roy the sea anchor idea sounds reasonable.
I thin piece of cord joining the "safety line" would allow it to break if there was a big pull as in surf , also a velcro wrist strap would come undone if it wasn't too strong .

I can just imajine a sib in say a force 4 being blown faster than anyone could swim .

And yes some lifeguards do not impress me , especially when Iam the local tax payer subsidising them being there just to rescue holiday makers who use no common sense at all . probably why I now have to pay to park at my local beach after a lifetime of free beach use .
And they say Cornwall needs the income from the tourist trade , it costs most of us dearly
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Old 16 March 2006, 05:24   #17
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Use of sea anchor with a SIB

Ian,
Please do not attach youself to the boat! If you forget to attach the kill cord and fall out when underway then you are likely to be dragged along and drowned. Even if the kill cord works your swimming style in surf would be seriously restricted by 10m of polyprop rope wrapped around your body.

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I agree with Roy, the sea anchor idea works well. It is wind that carries the SIB away from you (you drift at the same speed as the boat with the tide) and a sea anchor slows the wind driven drift.

I use my SIB in the surf quite a lot and have been bounced out once and capsised twice. On all occasions I have found a sea anchor to be of massive benefit.

I have the sea anchor attached to a short line that runs from the bow eye, along the deck, back to me. The anchor is wrapped in a velcro strap. The velcro strap is then tied to my bouyancy aid.

If/when you stuff the boat and get thrown out, the velcro releases the anchor and massively slows the boats drift.

I keep the line delibrately short (12ft in a 14ft boat), so that there is no chance of the anchor deploying under the boat and snagging the prop. This reduces the holding of the anchor (it can snatch out of the water), but is sufficient to slow wind driven drift and keeps the SIB head to sea in surf upto about 1.5m.

Use of lifeline to stay with boat, get back onboard

Once you get back to the boat, you need one of these http://shop.lifejackets.co.uk/acatal...Lifelines.html to make sure you stay with the boat. You may be tired, and unable to get back onboard and a lifeline will keep you with the boat and make search and rescue much easier.

You can then use the life line to make a strop to help get back onboard. Clip each end of the lifejacket lifeline to the boats life line. It helps if you connect either side of two gluing points. The lifejacket lifeline will hang down in a loop and you can use it as a step. (similar to MeMe's http://www.rib.net/forum/showthread....der#post134776 - but a lot easier to get your foot into.)

Will take some photos this afternoon.

Hope this helps

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Old 16 March 2006, 10:05   #18
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Here are the photos of the sea anchor.

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Ed thanks for the reply.
this subject seems full of holes . I was hoping that there was a tried and tested method .

I agree if i forget the kill clip Iam in trouble , but if i forget the kill clip then the boat is iether going to disappear over the horizon or come back and cut me up so covering for that is dificult , personally In such a situation i would rather trust the weak pint built into or get try to release a wrist strap than simply get left to drown or be hit by the boat.

The sea anchor idea seems ok in theory but still rasies some questions . with it velcro strapped to your BA you could still get caut up in the line and there are loops to get an arm or leg through.

If you are in 1.5m surf with a lifejacket on there is no way you would ever swim back to the boat , you just go wherever the waves and current want you to , hopefully in to the beach , but not always .

I can't see a sea anchor holding a boat head to sea in surf , surely the breaking waves would pull the sea anchor around towards the shore and turn the boat stern to the waves . Al least the boat would end up on the beach in surf a sea anchor would be better deployed over the stern

The lifeline is a good idea to get back in I have used a climbing sling many times to help kayakers get back in . but a line with 2 heavy metal clips i feel is not a good idea as they would flail about in surf and hit you or tangle . i would have the clip attached to the boat and carry a simple tape sling that you can clip to it to use as a step .

I have got to practice getting back into my SIB , it looks easy but I bet its not going to be , I shall wait untill the weather is better first .
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And yes some lifeguards do not impress me , especially when Iam the local tax payer subsidising them being there just to rescue holiday makers who use no common sense at all . probably why I now have to pay to park at my local beach after a lifetime of free beach use .
Your just paying for your local incompetant council.
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