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Old 30 June 2014, 14:02   #51
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Which letter is shown after 9.9 on that side sticker, there should be a manufacturing date too, probably 2006 ? The current models to go for is the 9.9 D2, easy to upgrade to 15 D2.m Overall paint seems good. Sun can eat and discolor anything. That engine weights 42 Kg.

The only difference with newer versions is just color, are dark blue, near black. Before buying check side letter for your peace of mind and wallet. 500 Euro is a good price, much better if happens to comes attached with a minimum time selling warranty. Post internal pics of both sides if possible to check its condition.

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Old 30 June 2014, 15:50   #52
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I think the engine is from 2000. I don't know the letter you are asking for.
The interior looks newish. No rust whatsoever.

My problem is the weight and the size of the thing... My beach house in Algarve doesn't have a garage, so I'll have to carry the boat inside during the night and I don't see myself being able to do that with an engine this size. Maybe it's possible but I recon that the risk of eventually damaging it is very high. Unfortunately I think I'll have to go smaller and lighter.

I also found out that 2 strokes are banned from dams in Portugal and this really tips the balance for me.
What do you think about the Suzuki DF6 and the Yamaha 2.5 hp (both 4 strokes)?
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Old 30 June 2014, 22:13   #53
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All Tohatsu 9.9-15-18 being same size brothers weights exactly same. Can't imagine myself passing from a 15 to a 2.5 or 6 HP, that only will happen if my whips get crossed. The least engine you should consider is a 4 strokes Tohatsu 9.8 HP, being the top of same 6-8 HP engines.

You could buy a 2.5 and use it as a nice anchor, that size will take you to nowhere land. If like pottering around at just fast displacement non planing speeds go fot the HP you like mot. But a 9.8 will be my vote in terms of power and portability.

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Sorry Locozodiac for being such a pain in the ass. I guess choosing the boat was the easiest part!

Unfortunately there is no way I can afford a 9.8 hp 4 stroke right now. Let me explain the current scenario:

-My budget can stretch to about 800€ (give or take).
-Without the license I am limited to 6 hp (license costs about 300€).
-2 strokes are banned from dams and lakes in here.
-Engine should weight less than 30 kg and be portable.

So unfortunately given the situation I have to discard 2 strokes, which was going to be my choice in first place. I like to camp with my friends near dams and fish some bass. What's the point of having a boat if I can't use it?

Right now I can get a Yamaha F2.5 for about 450€ or a Suzuki DF6 for 950€. Those were the best matches I could find so far.

My idea atm is to get the F2.5, maybe get the license and next year I could swap this outboard for a portable 9.9 hp. I recon I could sell the Yamaha easily with little loss.
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Old 01 July 2014, 16:26   #55
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Don't worry if being a PITA, just suggesting best options to consider and which don't. You already have the sib. If going for a 4 strokes 2.5 what will happen if boating with your mates, is that you'll be thrown overboard for such a bad combo performance. Better would be a 3.5 or inquire if that 2.5 HP could be upgraded to a 3.5, will push better, but with power limitations too.

Personally have had 3.5, are just good to potter around, will push nicely even larger sibs/ribs but won't plane a 320, probably not even with you alone.

Make the effort and go for a 6 which could sell latter much better and faster than a 2.5 turtle. But you should future aim for a 15 HP engine, which is the HP that 320 sib requieres to have fun.

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I've set a test drive with the seller of the Yamaha and then I'll decide if I can live with it or not.

By the way, these are the kind of adverse conditions my sib will be facing:






The idea is to scout that coastline you see on the last 2 pictures and to get to beaches that are only accessible by sea (the first picture).
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That looks terrible, how do you manage to live somewhere as awful as that

Got to say the 2.5 is a tiny engine, and because its single cylinder and you will have to run it flat out, its going to be a noisy little bugger.

I dont think our advice is going to help you much, you live in another country with your own personal circumstances, you have to find the engine thats right for you. Unfortunately that usually means taking the odd wrong turn along the way before you get it right.

Get an engine bought, any engine. With places like your pictures, you need to be on the water, not on the computer. Good Luck
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I dont think our advice is going to help you much, you live in another country with your own personal circumstances, you have to find the engine thats right for you. Unfortunately that usually means taking the odd wrong turn along the way before you get it right.

Get an engine bought, any engine. With places like your pictures, you need to be on the water, not on the computer. Good Luck
I think you're right in every point.

The most important part for me right know is getting an engine before Summer.

From what I have been reading, 4 stroke Tohatsu are not so good. What are the brands to go for? Yamaha and Suzuki? Are Mariner and Parsun any good?

From what I got (only small 4 strokes):

Suzuki: good
Yamaha: good
Honda: ok
Tohatsu: meh
Mercury: nope
Parsun: ?
Mariner: ?

Is my list correct?
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What a dangerous and horrible deserted coastline you have in Portugal. Any engine badly or not serviced at all will be a real ecocomic disater to anyone who has any given brand engine.. Where did you get that list data ? Some issues about Tohatsu that probably don't know :

1-It's the oldest Japanese outboard manufacturer, 7 yeras older than Yam. Starter 1953, 60 years on the market.

2-Produces 300K engines for anual worldwide sales between Tohatsu, Nissan, Mercury, Mariner and now Evinrude, up to 30 HP in 4 strokes, and same range up to 50 HP 2 strokes engines for countries that have not banned its use. It's by far the largest brand by sold engines worldwide compared to Yam.

3-Preferred 50 HP engine for Zap Cats Racers along Somalie Pirates.

Been selling 3.5-5-18-30-40-50 Tohatsus for the last 7 years, with only 1 down issue, a 18 HP Ignition Coil failure due to idiotic owner breaking original spark plug cap and replacing it by a non compatible scooter plug, which shortened the IC. And down here boaters are very reluctant to send heir engines to service once out of the box.

Any one cylinder engine opposed to a 2 cylinder one, will vibrate more and be bit noisier. If going for the 2.5 Yam, check if cheap and possible to pass to next 3.5 HP. Test that small 2.5 throughout the throttle range to experience its thrust limitations at each setting. 3/4 to wot won't make much a difference, so don't demand much that portable engine if loaded.

If boating area are same as nice posted pics, would go straight>>>to >>>6 HP, you decide- BTW, been to Caiscais during my youth, nice beach.

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I got this list form user reviews I have been reading. Read nothing but good things about 2 stroke Tohatsu but the 4 stroke nissan, mercury and Tohatsu had some bad reviews, specially Mercury. The ones with least bad reviews were Suzuki and Yamaha (only talking about 4 strokes).

I'll see if I can go for the DF6 but right now it's just to much money. The option I'm considering right now is going for the Yamaha 2.5 and taking the license. Next year I can sell it with little loss (those engines are very easy to sell in Portugal) and get a 9.8.
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