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Old 04 June 2012, 04:12   #11
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Thanks for that I have picked up so much valuable information on this forum
I now have my eye on 3+m with air deck hopefully something will come up then I need to start thinking about outboards
What size, most reliable, and if they can be laid on there side for transportation. ?
As I have said I love just pottering about on the river ( had a open canoe for a while) but would on the odd occasion like to venture out in the sea for a spot of fun/fishing hopefully I can get a suitable outfit to cover both.
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Old 04 June 2012, 05:13   #12
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I have a 3.8meter Aluminium floor with a 15hp 2 stroke.
Brilliant in the Sea but a but heavy and a pain to put together but I can manage it on my own.
I started of with a air deck but then upgraded to a Ali deck as the air deck doesn't provide a solid enough platform for me.
A 340 air deck with a 15hp two stroke sounds like a good manageable package.
Also 2 strokes can be laid on there side.
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Old 04 June 2012, 05:39   #13
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If you can, get hold of a 9.8hp Tohatsu, the holy grail for 3.2m - 3.4m air floor SIBs especially if deflating/mounting each time, hauling over a beach and even more so if on your own. This weekend I have been trying out an alternative outfit of a 3.8m solid floor SIB with a 15hp Yam and although the extra space, solid feeling floor and better acceleration was a bonus this was all *hugely* outweighed for my by the weight and difficulty in manhandling the boat (75kg vs 29kg) and even more so the engine -the Yam weighs 36kg and the Tohatsu 26kg - for me the 10kg makes all the difference in the world - I'm not as strong as I once was but as an average 12 stone guy I found the 15 was a struggle moving about on flat tarmac - up and down a steep, stony beach it would be impossible.

All this has totally convinced me that the ultimate SIB outfit is a 3.4m airfloor with a 9.8 Tohatsu - anything much bigger really needs two strong blokes to manhandle or needs a permenant trailer and slipway launch - and if going down that route I would much rather have a RIB which is so much more capable at sea than a SIB.

The disadvantage of the air floor SIB is some movement in the floor and a less defined keel shape - the 3.8m (solid floor) I used this weekend really bit the water better in the turn with far less slip. After much Googling there are many out there that think the same and have added a lightweight ply floor on top of the air floor to improve solidity and add tension to the keel (by forcing the keel tube to push the boat underfloor down rather than the top floor up) - I'm planning to do this too so will post any results...
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Old 04 June 2012, 12:58   #14
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I've got a Zodiac 2.85m with a solid floor and I wouldn't worry too much about assembly, I can get this boat out of the van and into the water in 15 minutes, the floor only takes a minute or two to put in and it gives a solid base to stand/sit on.
Engines, I had a Mercury 6hp 4-stroke and it was pretty good, the boat would achieve about 15mph with two people on board. I've recently upgraded to a Tohatsu 9.8hp 2-stroke and with that engine the boat goes like a rocket but will still troll along on the canal at 2-4mph.
Both these engines weigh 26kg and are fairly easy to carry/fit on the boat.
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Old 04 June 2012, 15:30   #15
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I managed to get hold of an Avon FRB 380 off here and its so easy to set up as it has a slatted aluminium floor that rolls up with the boat, a little bit heavier than the quicksilver 340 air deck that I have but easier to set up
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Old 05 June 2012, 05:22   #16
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Im looking at a Zodiac in good nick with an air floor and also a older bombard with a wooden floor and a couple of repairs both at about the same money at the moment.
What sort of price would I be expecting to pay for a good used boat about 3+ m
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Old 05 June 2012, 05:59   #17
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Do you have a link to the listings? There are so many variables in terms of model, age, condition, features, desirability etc that it's impossible to give a reasonably accurate figure without more details.
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Old 05 June 2012, 09:21   #18
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Yes hear are the links.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2210409130...9#ht_809wt_922

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1407662661...9#ht_500wt_922

I'm also looking at a Yamaha

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1108897753...9#ht_500wt_922

At the moment I'm looking for the better makes that I found listed on this forum as the top 5.
Are there any others worth considering ?
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Old 05 June 2012, 09:57   #19
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First one will be quite heavy given your criteria in your first post and will need a minimum 9.8 really. It's quite elderly and will be a real faff to take down and inflate each time. An air floor will be a much better idea again given the OP.

The second one (Zodiac) is absolutely ideal and a fantastic rig with a 9.8 or even an 8 will probably be OK. Given it's a 2006 with wheels etc price will probably be around 500 to 600 but with the Bravo pump alone worth 75+ second hand and the nice condition then you may be looking at 700 bids...

Worth it though as you will not lose anything come resale and IMHO these are the nicest small SIBs around (might have something to do with the fact I run the 3.4m version!) Some will say it is better made and designed than the current model...

They are super light, have a really good finish and the fittings are top notch.

The Yam will be twice the weight and again much more bulky/annoying to take down and will go OK with a 9.8 but a 15 will be better.

For me the Zodiac with wheels and pump is an absolutely outstanding choice and if it was me I would go as high as 701. A lot of boats and engines on eBay get sold 'outside' eBay by negotiation before the listing ends. I would contact the seller, tell him you will come round tomorrow and collect with 675 cash and see what he says...
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Jonny5 - Some good advice above. A 3.3m and a 2 stroke engine is what I went for - Shop around and don't rush to buy the first outfit you see. I nearly bought an engine that I couldn't carry and then one that would have been underpowered.

There is an excellent thread here about all the other stuff you may need
What kit do you carry on your SIB?

The "new sibber" threads miss some important points if you are on a budget (aren't we all) - As well as the additional kit in the thread above - be aware of:
Insurance at around 50 a year - This is for liability as well as theft.
Rivers, canals and lakes need licences and you cannot get these without the above insurance.
A canal licence is about 12 a day and a river 8 a day. A years is 80 for most rivers/canals.
A weeks licence for the Norfolk Broads cost me 22.50 this week and is not covered by a British waterways license.
Some harbours/slipways charge you to launch.

A boat is a floating money pit - Big grins though.
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