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Old 29 June 2017, 06:40   #1
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Licenses - Who Controls What??

Taking my new Honwave out for it's (and my) 'maiden voyage' tomorrow on the Kennet & Avon canal. I know....not particularly ambitious but you've got to start somewhere!

Anyway, to go on the K&A I had to get a license, which set me back over a hundred squid (30 day 12 month explorer). The canal & river trust, bless them, tell me that I am covered for all canals and most rivers in England, but not the Thames and a couple of others, which need a separate license from the Environment Agency....okay so far.

Looking at the map of rivers covered by the canal and river trust license, there are few to speak of in the south, which is a surprise. Only yesterday I was planning a river/sea combo, launching on the Frome at Wareham and linking up with Poole harbour. But do I need a license for the Frome? And if so, who the heck manages it? Similar story with the Christchurch Avon?? There's loads of great rivers in the south/southwest (Dart, Fal, Exe, Taw, Tamar, etc) but do I need a separate license for each of them??

I'm sure I'm misunderstanding something but if not, this could become very expensive! I know the sea is free......but I plan to spend a good proportion on my sibling inland.

Any clarification would be lovely, thanks.
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Old 29 June 2017, 06:48   #2
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both the EA and the canal and river trust will have maps of the water they control on some rivers they both have jurisdiction so either licence will do

EA waterways management 01733464072 try them they will direct you.
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Thanks Jeff. The problem is though that neither of them seem to manage the rivers I mention (Avon, Frome, etc).
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when you go on the canal and river trust site it mentions licences for their waterways and a gold licence for joint licence with the EA so two lists.
i would think that should suffice as thats all they are producing from may this year.i would try a wikipedia search for your rivers there's a few frome's and then send them a mail keep the reply and go boating you have a license and done all you can to make sure you comply.
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On a coldly practical note, I have never yet been asked to produce a licence. However, in the unlikely event of being caught without one, the penalties are severe. Also, the cost of the licence goes towards good things like maintaining locks, moorings, and so on.

How many times a year will you take the SIB out on the river or canal? Really? For most of us, the cheapest option is probably individual day licences. It is slightly cheaper if you pay for "river only".

Second cheapest option is a 30 day explorer which gives you 30 days (not consecutive) within a 12 month period. Think about it: you are unlikely to be out often between November and March, so will you use the boat 30 times in the April to October period? That's a day a week, every week.

There are also options for specific 3 month, 6 month and so on, licences.

In addition to licences, you sometimes need to pay a fee if you use a boatyard or club slip.

The sea isn't always free. Some areas - e.g. Anglesey - charge a registration fee before you can use any slip in their area. They will also ask you to provide proof of insurance, and some areas will also ask you to carry a certain minimum of safety equipment.

This is not a cheap hobby, but compare the cost of a full day on the water (say £10-£15 or so) with the cost of a pizza, or a Costa, or a couple of pints.

If you are going on unfamiliar water, the starting point for finding out about licensing is to Google, "using a boat on the..." or "boat license for the ...".
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One of the many reasons I love the Sea!..Freedom!
I've used a few Rivers when the Kids were younger,including The Wye in the RIB...
In the SIB,many hours spent on the .. Frome ..Avon.. Parret ..Tone Exe ...including some Canals Lakes ect ..never bought a licence!....never looked to buy a licence ...and NEVER EVER met/seen anyone remotely interested in seeing one!!!

..We still ...I hope have some rights as Englishmen in our own country!..enough of my family forebears/members sacrificed plenty in the past for some kind of LIBERTY to enjoy our Country's many Delights ...without interference from (extremely!) Petty Officials messing with our liesure time!
If they can't make it pay they won't do it....give em a sniff and they'll squeeze till the Pips speak!
Just go for it and don't be a Pussy!

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Love it!

I've bought a 30 day explorer already so I'll go with that and take my chances on other rivers - at least I've paid something.

Maximus, you mention about all the rivers you used in the past - any tips for good ones with easy access (slipways maybe). I'm really keen to know about lakes too - any lakes or reservoirs in the south where I would be allowed to take my sib out? Loads in the north of course, and one day I'll get up there, but somewhere closer to me would be good.
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If venturing into Poole harbour you will need a harbour license too,price depending on length of craft and engine hp. Harbour patrol do check as well. I keep my rib at the sailing academy in Portland and Portland harbour charge a fee similar to Poole. I seem to get checked a few times a year.
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And there was me thinking the sea was free, what a fool I am. Crikey, you can't move in this game without somebody wanting to take some money from you.

You're exempt if under 4.5m and 5 horses apparently. I have 3.2m and a 6 horse motor which is close enough, so I think I'll risk it.
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And there was me thinking the sea was free, what a fool I am. Crikey, you can't move in this game without somebody wanting to take some money from you.

You're exempt if under 4.5m and 5 horses apparently. I have 3.2m and a 6 horse motor which is close enough, so I think I'll risk it.
Oooh, that's handy, I didn't realise that.
Just checked the Portland Harbour rules and they charge a fee for everything! Kayaks,paddle boards the lot. Not a lot of money though so not really a problem.
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