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Old 14 June 2015, 08:05   #31
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Will do re the inflatables, not a huge fan of autos as a splash of water could set them off.
They take far more than a splash. Yes if you are really unlucky and get a big wave over the top they may pop. But plenty use them on ribs in some silly conditions and they don't pop.

You do hear of them going off in WAFI lockers due to 'moisture' that's not a droplet of water landing on it, that's high humidity for months and years with wet gear being shoved in alongside. The salt disc eventually softens and the spring pin fires through it.

Launching and recovery would be my one concern.

If you are worried about auto I'd suggest a foam filled PFD over a manual.
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Old 14 June 2015, 12:17   #32
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That looks a nice buy and a perfect SIB to get you going, the Bravo pump is a great addition. It's so much better than what you planned to buy in your OP and if SIBbing is not for you, you'll lose nothing at all come sale time. As others say I'd definitely renew the LJ capsules as a matter of course. Many of us use 50N (ski/sailing) type buoyancy aids on SIB's especially if you're a fairweather-fairy and stay within 1/2 mile of land etc or on inland use. Very light, comfortable and no worries about maintenance, setting off etc. But it's your choice and they will not do the job of a LJ if TSHTF.
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Old 14 June 2015, 13:01   #33
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Why is it that I find myself getting involved in hobbies that have a massive array of names and abbreviations :-) Years ago it was sailing. Rope=sheet Gib=sail stay=not an instruction for the dog Abeam = not what you bang your head on

Max, I'll check out LJ/BA 50N and water wings. I grew up with life jackets being big things like a bib (never fitted) and something around the back of the head. These worked but obvs now very dated. Don't see myself doing more than coast hopping in reasonable weather, but equally would like protection for myself and others if something major did happen

Thanks for the reassurance on the buy, before looking at dinghies I'd been looking at fishing boats for quite a while but the use ability of even a simple open boat would be once a month or less. With a sib it could be once a week at a local or nearby river. This one seems clean and has the pump, might trade the LJ's for more suitable types. Much appreciated for all of your friendly and collective advice so far. When the stars align and I get my hands on the holy grail 15hp 2s that doesn't need lottery funding I'll post up some pics or video of me pirouetting at WOT with the bow pointing skywards
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Old 15 June 2015, 12:41   #34
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Many of us use 50N (ski/sailing) type buoyancy aids on SIB's especially if you're a fairweather-fairy and stay within 1/2 mile of land etc or on inland use. Very light, comfortable and no worries about maintenance, setting off etc. But it's your choice and they will not do the job of a LJ if TSHTF.
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Max, I'll check out LJ/BA 50N and water wings. I grew up with life jackets being big things like a bib (never fitted) and something around the back of the head. These worked but obvs now very dated. Don't see myself doing more than coast hopping in reasonable weather, but equally would like protection for myself and others if something major did happen
It also depends if you are expecting to use "in company" (or near others). If there is a real risk you will end up floating around for a long time waiting for a Helo or magical Lifeboat then a full on Lifejacket is obviously preferable. BUT if you'd expect someone to be taking the p*ss out you 20 minutes later for falling out then a BA is potentially fine - and possibly easier to climb back on your boat with (or to get on the hull (and re-right it) or await rescue.

A Bouyancy Aid has the advantage of keeping the wind etc off you and you fairly warm. If you do go Bouyancy aid then look at those often marketted at kayakers etc - they have pockets which can be very handy in a SIB for things like a Handheld radio, a small knife, or even a waterproof camera.

Personally I chop and change my flotation for the particular situation. I have three variants which can be combined depending on the risks I perceive:

- Flotation suit
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Old 21 October 2015, 05:45   #35
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Morning all. Thought I'd update this although it's many months old. To complete the outfit I bought the 90's merc 15hp 2smoke in the end which while scruffy and dated looking has decent and equal pressure. The Honwave got some HD launching wheels fitted and transformed launch/retrieve options, unless you always have 'crew' I'd say wheels of this type are more than essential boat kit. Having it on a trailer would be the least amount of hassle but I can move boat and outboard around with the aid of a sack barrow if required with not too much strain

I'm very pleased with the boat overall and think with your help (very glad I didn't get the Avon!) I got the right package for me. I've used it on the Thames near Marlow, Walton On The Naze backwaters and around Teignmouth/Torbay/Dart. So far in the moderate conditions I’ve used it in it’s proven a stable and forgiving boat. Seems like I have the obligatory engine splash however and continue to consider outboard position and more probable splash guard

Other extras added were: a 2kg bruce type anchor with 3m of 8mm good quality chain and 40m odd horrible soon to be replaced 'plastic’ rope, an Explorer 3317 box (thank you Max for the tip) containing so far ICOM IC-M31VHF (on standby for 3 weeks with no battery drain?) a floating knife, sighting compass and other engine/emergency bits/bobs

Winter project is to knock up a demo bow storage unit for fuel/anchor and possible GPS/battery. If it works go for a rubber covered drop in unit.. Need a bigger boat!

Cheers, Michael
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It's always good to have an update and to know you've had the outfit on the water in several different locations.

I did see the link for what you bought back in June but have forgotten... was it the 3.2m air floor Honwave?

Even if you think the outboard's a bit scruffy any pics of the outfit you could put on here are always interesting.
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Well done Michael, great to hear you are enjoying the outfit.
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Great Michael, have a great time.
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