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Old 15 April 2015, 00:03   #11
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Many thanks for your replys gents, they are greatly appreciated.

GURNARD
After reading your replies, I think I'm definitely going the roller route. My local beaches are all either soft mud or rocks of various sizes, so I think using transom wheels would be very difficult and lifting the front of the boat with my knackered back would be impossible.
My main problem now is to find a supplier, the only place I can find that sells them in the UK is Force4 but they seem a tad on the short side.
Do you find you manage with 2 ok or would it be easier with 3?
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Old 15 April 2015, 02:55   #12
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Hi Mixiblob

I got mine from Force4 ..they are the 400kg ones at just short of 20 quid
Length is 1.6m ..which is perfect for the 4.3 quicksilver ..think its around 1.7 meters wide.. but because the SIB tubes are round.. the bottom is less than that... so I dont need any longer. i would be surprised if your SIB was wider and 1.6 meter rollers wont work ?

I find two plenty..a third would mean more running back and forward feeding them in. We used three on the wayfarer dinghy when I was a kid. My father pulled the boat.. it was my job to feed the rollers :-D

Im just on my own now..to two is best for me. I stop rolling the SIB just before the end roller pops out the rear of the boat. ..then pull it out by hand..that way..in a windy day..its not free to blow away.

Hope that helps

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Hi Gurnard,
many thanks for the speedy reply, force4 it is then, we have one locally in Plymouth.
40 for rollers v 100 for transom wheels, a no brainer ;-)
I owe you a beer mate, cheers
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This is very useful information, thanks for taking the time to post this, The Gunard. I've been contemplating inflatable rollers for some time, and they seem to have tremendous versatility over all types of terrain. The fact that they are so inexpensive makes it seem like a no-brainer to keep a couple of deflated rollers in the boat even when you don't expect to use them, just in case you might come across a situation where they would be useful.
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What I find hard to understand is..... If you Google "transom wheels" you get hundreds of results of UK suppliers but if you Google "inflatable boat rollers" it comes up with one UK supplier...force 4!
It would appear they are not very popular in this country for some reason and to be honest, until I joined this forum, I had never seen or heard of them.
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What I find hard to understand is..... If you Google "transom wheels" you get hundreds of results of UK suppliers but if you Google "inflatable boat rollers" it comes up with one UK supplier...force 4!
It would appear they are not very popular in this country for some reason and to be honest, until I joined this forum, I had never seen or heard of them.
Rubix cubes and skateboards were all the rage at one time..but seldom seen now. I loved flaired jeans as a teenager ..but when cotton became very expensive..manufacturers stopped making flairs because they used more material.



I put transom wheels in the same boat... as a fashion accessory ... why produce and sell roller boats for 40 quid when you can produce and sell transom wheels for 150.



I can buy two wheels the same as transom wheels for 30 quid out of screwfix.. so someone is making 100 for bending up the supports ... its robbery but folk are happy to pay it... most SIBers do.. not realising its like some hidden Tax on their purchase ?


Although why people are happy going to sea without an Aux engine for the sake of easy shore manoeuvrability ..is beyond me.


Thats my opinion anyhoo.. anyone can disagree if they like.


Im happy with roller boats.. but I come from a background of heavy hardshell dinghies and boats..so tend to do things more traditionally..ie knowing tides and when to land..or to anchor and how best to do it. How to navigate with map and compass. Many of these skills are lost to the convenience of things like transom wheels and GPS etc Not that there is anything wrong with that..but there is nothing wrong with the older ways either :-D


But perhaps I should start swimming before I sink like a stone... cos the times they are a changing.


I looked on u tube..and found this guy..he only has one roller.. but it got his heavy tri maran onto the beach. He would have found transom wheels as useful as I do.

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>>> I put transom wheels in the same boat... as a fashion accessory ... why produce and sell rollers for 40 quid when you can sell transom wheels for 150. I can buy two wheels the same as transom wheels for 30 quid out of screwfix.. so someone is making 100 for bending up the supports ... its robbery but folk are happy to pay it... most SIBers do.

Thats my opinion anyhoo.. anyone can disagree if they like. Im happy with roller boats.. but I come from a background of heavy hardshell dinghies and boats..so tend to do things more traditionally. <<<


You are one of the most respected sibbers on here Gurnard but in truth your adventures and several days at a time exploring are outside the norm for most of us. I too was brought up on hard boats, mostly wood and often clinker. From Canadian canoes, a GP14 sailing dinghy through to 32ft Miller Fifers and beyond.

For me in my late 50s still wanting to be able to get on the water and access remote beaches etc but avoiding the tie of anything large, moored or parked on a trailer sibs have proved to be just perfect.

And do you know the most useful modern advantages to me since I was an 8yr old in a heavy woollen jumper and no lifejacket bobbing across Jersey harbour in a tub of a grp dinghy with an oily Seagull on the back...

GPS and transom wheels!

We used rollers in my childhood for sailing boats... I seem to remember they were more like a canvas tube with inflated bladder inside? I do remember I always seemed to get muddy using them. But you're spot on for a difficult shore situation they are excellent where transom wheels would be useless.

For 99.9% of our use though transom wheels have transformed the way we can use the boat. It is often busier down south than your way and there is frantic competition at popular launch sites for any car park space near the slip or a place you can easily put in and this means getting there very early... not ideal if the tide dictates a midday/afternoon outing.

But we've sorted some great places to park slightly away from our regular launch sites so we set up in peace with space to spare and then trundle the boat containing all our kit past the mayhem and we're away in a moment. In the image attached I'm halfway down the easy 400yd trip to a shingle hard we often use. Trying to use rollers in that situation would be akin to some summer carnival activity.

Regarding cost I've had four sets of transom wheels over the years and always had them thrown in with used outfits but if I was pricing up new kit the 150 they cost adds so much useability to an outfit that might cost 3500 new they are actually great value.

Oh and GPS...

I still print out and laminate a chart of any area we operate in and of course carry a decent compass... but while the (pocket) GPS with mapping is working it adds a huge layer of safety and convenience... and hopefully will be keeping us out of trouble in your neck of the woods this summer!

BTW... and I'm whispering now... wouldn't mind a pic of the rollers deflated to see how they would pack away... not that I'm thinking they might be of use to us one day... just out of interest you understand!
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Hey Fenlander, that looks like an Avon Rover, am I right?
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I've walked the best part of a mile with my Avon and it's transom wheels, so much so that the wheels started melting... turns out that a lack of grease or bearings produces heat!

I was thinking last night though, for launching into a river off the side of a tow path, transom wheels would be useless whereas I can see that rollers, or a roller would probably allow this to happen without damaging the keel...
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Yep a 3.1 (I think) Rover with lovely varnished floor. Amazing quality boats but sold ours late last summer. We were supposed to be giving up boating for a few years but then I accidentally bought our current outfit a few weeks later so we never stopped really!

Because it is just one split pin to pull each side to take the wheels off the legs every time we've been out I take the wheels off, rinse with fresh water, dry and apply fresh waterproof grease. Pulls loads easier than dry/dusty plastic/nylon on stainless steel.
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