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Old 20 February 2014, 18:41   #1
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How to repair PVC / Glue (Zodiac Futura)

Hi all,

Could someone please point me in the right direction where & how to start preparing & remove old glue from my Zodiac Futura so I can re-glue the bits that need repaired,

I have been advised to purchase Acetone & MEK, I have 1 litre of each now, but not sure where or how to start, or which way around to use the MEK / Acetone, and will I have to scrub hard etc to remove the old glue, do I use a brillo pad or similar or will the old glue just easily lift off with the MEK or Acetone?

Thanks to all in advance
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Old 20 February 2014, 19:12   #2
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The two things will do the same job so just use one. I'd use MEK but only cos its easier to source in a hurry

Try using a lint free cloth to apply the solvent and see how things develop. At a push I would use a Scotchbrite pad but carefully and finish with a cloth. Keep at it until its clean and old glue free then your ready to glue. do not use heat or abrasion

if the glueing happens at a later date re apply the solvent prior to gluing. I'd advise using two part glue.

Plenty of info available on the RIBSTOR,, IBS AND POLYMARINE WEBSITES

To be honest I find repairing PVC easier as a process than Hypalon , the thing to remember is that the preparation is done by solvent and not abrasion
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Old 20 February 2014, 21:34   #3
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Hi Rogue Wave,

Thank you for your quick reply, I plan to do all the preparation while the weather is crap if I can bare the cold and then I will wait for a break in the weather when it is a bit milder before I start gluing,

I take it I will need two days for the two part glue to dry fully to be on the safe side,

any idea what sort of temprature would be ok to start gluing, 10 degrees ish? I am trying to repair the bits and pieces I need to do before the weather improves, so I don,t loose valuable time out on the boat,

When you advise to re apply the solvent if I am gluing at a later date, which I will be due the heat wave we are not having, is this just to clean the PVC before the actual glue is put on, and I take it after I put the MEK on before I glue, do I make sure the MEK is wiped off & cleaned off fully with water before applying the glue?

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I use Acetone to clean and MEK for a pre-glue wipe. The MEK softens the PVC to allow the glue to stick better. Acetone is not as harsh on the PVC. For removing pieces still glued heat is your friends. As mentioned above the coarsest Scotchbrite pad, which is grey, works wonders on removing the old glue. I dip it into a small container full of Acetone. Make sure to wear gloves and work in fresh air. A respirator is a good thing. The glue comes off with some scrubbing.

A two part glue is the only way to go. You need to scuff the material before beginning. This can be done with a special tool or course sandpaper. You are not looking to remove material, just rough the surface up a little. Wipe the piece being glued with MEK and glue away. You want the MEK to soak in some, but it will flash off fairly quickly. It needs to be tacky when you set the pieces back together. Temperature is critical as is humidity. If they are not right, wait for another day.

What year is your boat?
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Hi Peter,

Thanks for your knowledge once again

I did locate the serial Number on the boat eventually, It would help if I opened my eyes earlier prior to finding it recently,

Off the top of my head ( as I am at work at present) I believe it is a 1997, I would have to verify that, but I am almost certain it is a 1997

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The two things will do the same job so just use one. I'd use MEK but only cos its easier to source in a hurry.
That must be nice - it's gotten really tough to get in California.
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I managed to locate both no problem at all, that was the easiest bit for me, I was expecting it to be expensive and I was surprised how cheap it was, (hope it's not bottled water)
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That must be nice - it's gotten really tough to get in California.
Don't you guys got no plastic plumbing over there. that's why its easy to get here because its a solvent used with older types of plastic plumbing so they sell it in plumbers merchants pretty cheap.

re living in California.........Stop boasting
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lol, we dream about going to California, I wonder how many people dream about coming to the UK
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There's an MEK substitute available. I believe that Peter_C has tried it and said it doesn't really work. The government (State government) has deemed it dangerous so we can't have it. I still have a half gallon left from the good old days. I use it sparingly and use acetone the rest of the time.

I only dream of going to the UK pick up a used rib - more options and a whole lot cheaper! What most people don't realize is that California isn't always sunny and 72F - we have 5 - 10 drastically different climates. I live on the coast in the southern portion of the state - Mediterranean climate. About an hour drive inland, I can be in complete desert. Two hours north, pine forest and I can go skiing. Peter lives up north - lots more rain, beautiful forest, great diving in some of the best kelp forest anywhere. Very diverse - it's not all blonds in bikinis.
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