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Old 14 January 2016, 04:56   #11
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I don't know your part of the country but I wouldn't be planning 2 hrs afloat with a 5 yr old at this time of year (with that sort of forecast). Even in OK weather I think a 5 year old can start to get bored sitting on the boat with just the roar of the engine (not even conversation) if out that long. So as a bare minimum you need to plan in a stop somewhere with major reward like hot chocolate and cake! A flask is a good option but I always find a "destination" is somewhere better to aim for (flask as back up!). Personally in that weather on a first trip out I'd be looking for somewhere to go 1/2 hr from base with a cafe/tea room/chippy and see how it goes. If its really bad somewhere you can get a bus / train / cab back to your car and then retrieve the boat from is not crazy!

The right clothes make a huge difference. Bear in mind the right clothes may make swimming near impossible.

A successful trip with kids is one where they ask when they can do it again / go further rather than 1/3rd of the way in ask how much longer!
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Old 14 January 2016, 05:35   #12
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I think it is too cold. You have to ask yourself what if
1) engine breaks down
2) you end up in the water.

I would leave bring the cub out for a nicer day.
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chemical hand warmers are good one in each pocket.
Genius idea (for me too)!

The boy is used to the cold and has better winter clothes than me! Also, he won't be just sitting bored in the front of the boat - he loves to steer the tiller etc. and I actively encourage that all... he's a proper outdoors kid.

Hot choc and other treats/destinations are in the plan...

But... we remain 'playing it by ear'... thanks for the suggestions!
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Old 14 January 2016, 06:01   #14
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I think it is too cold. You have to ask yourself what if
1) engine breaks down
2) you end up in the water.

I would leave bring the cub out for a nicer day.
We have a back up engine so (1) is not an issue...
As regards (2) I think that's always a risk, obviously the consequences are more extreme this time of year and the best i can do is plan for the worst and take a very cautious approach...

... it's all hypothetical at the minute
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How cold is cold

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I'd wrap him up well, pack some sandwiches & a hot drink. Put the boat in & just go for a pootle close inshore, make an adventure of it. Go out, give it 10 mins, have your sarnies & drink, chug about until he's had enough & call it a day.
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Genius idea (for me too)!
I think if it gets cold enough to actually need them its too cold - you want him holding on not hands in pockets. They are good to have "in case" but if its the plan from the start...
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possibly but even the best 5yr olds kit isn't perfect. The two things to be most aware of are bare skin (even just a nose) and wet bits. Those zap morale faster than anything. So (1) cover everything, buff, gloves, hat, make sure no gap at back of waste when sitting etc. (2) spare everything in a dry bag - but especially the bits that WILL get wet - hat, gloves, socks, and scarf/buff/towel for neck. One big wave an hour from home is funny for us, but miserable for him. Also of course make sure he's not too hot!

If lips are exposed consider lip balm as cold+wind is a pain. Salty water makes it worse.

Oh and I think you said you had a KISU in another post. Well worth packing it just in case he does get frozen - as you know that is a major morale booster.
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It will be more cold than you can possibly imagine. Cold air plus splashing plus wind chill plus sitting still being shaken about.
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it's likely to be about 3 degrees before we're even sitting at 15knots.
Not sure what wind speed you are expecting. Lets assume its 10mph (8.5kts) - so into the wind you are up to close to 25kts. That takes it with wind chill down to -8C

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He's 5. Am I crazy to wrap him up and go for it? Will it be absolutely freezing?
Yes and Yes

So I took my 4 year old skiing last year. We skied in those conditions. Difference being he wasn't sat for 2 hours. He was working his sox off. Able to stop and snack and shelter from wind if need be and even then 2 hours would be a LONG stint... Big difference from sitting steering to fighting your ski's down a mile long slope... Even going up in a chair lift for 10minutes is enough to make me be putting hoods up over hats etc to try and stay warm.

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subjecting him to freezing weather for 2 hours + but I really can't anticipate how cold it might get
VERY VERY COLD. I'd say aim 10minutes out - 10minutes back.
Aim to be able to take him from boat when you come ashore, plonk in car, with heater on, and change any wet gear. Then recover without him.
Have a plan if sh17 hits the prop and you aren't headed back as quick as planned. Extra gear, flask, chocolate, some form of shelter, bivvy bag, call for help early. Bucket of tar to burn just in case ;-)

If you are putting him in ski type gear and wellies bear in mind it would affect his buoyancy if the worst happened.
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Sounds pretty selfish to me, what's the rush?
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I'd wrap him up well, pack some sandwiches & a hot drink. Put the boat in & just go for a pootle close inshore, make an adventure of it. Go out, give it 10 mins, have your sarnies & drink, chug about until he's had enough & call it a day.
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Totally agree !!

Make it FUN FUN FUN, and it will be an adventure, where he will want to come back for more.

Enjoy
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