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Old 05 January 2016, 16:19   #31
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Hi Stig as mentioned before I have a Honwave 3.5ae.
6 years old and no signs of failing seams ........ yet!
With the aluminium floor sections removed you can see signs of stitching around where the floor meets the tubes.
I suspect that this is indeed part of the manufacturing process.
As for accepting the dealer fixing the offending seam by re-glueing it I don't think I'd be overjoyed with that resolution. My confidence would be definitely be dented.
Only you can decide if you can be hassled with removal of your wheels and risking getting another Sib with a defective seam.
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Old 05 January 2016, 16:34   #32
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OK - maybe they're not going to knock 20% off... but I'm well within my rights to a replacement as technically it is faulty:
Be careful thats not quite what it says. It says you are entitled to a refund. Now if I recall correctly you were advocating this vendor in another thread because they were much cheaper. IMHO they would be within their rights to refund you but refuse to supply a replacement.

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but TBH I'm not keen on a simple glue job to fix a peeling seam unless there's some form of good will gesture because my confidence that other areas have been missed/not manufactured to a good level is already knocked.
You either aren't comfortable with it and reject it OR you are OK with it - I don't see that a "good will gesture" comes into it. If you can't be confident in it then either hearing an ominous hiss as you pop over a big wave or sitting on your sofa wishing you felt assured enough to go and use it, thinking "ah well it was 200 cheaper" isn't going to be much use.
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the previous poster is correct about the stitching its just to keep the strip folded when attaching the floor.

Also im not sure on this exact boat, but i dont think that lifting edge is actually a seam of the tube, its just the edge of the folded strip lifted, it can happen sometimes.

Not that its acceptable on a new boat, but i just mean it probably isnt gonna let go and leave you sinking

Its not even really that important to the strength of the floor or anything its more just to stop dirt sand and stones getting between the floor and tube, Well atleast on the likes of the Zodiac F470,
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Old 06 January 2016, 02:00   #34
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So surprisingly (or maybe not to some) they have come back with an offer for me (or them) to glue the offending seam that is not properly adhered - they say it's not structural.

As regards the stitching they are investigating further and I await their feedback.

Both these options are just initial thoughts from the dealer rather than Honda's position as regards warranty so I don't want to suggest this in any way represents their final offer.

Unless there was some incentive to do so i am not comfortable to accept a product that has questionable build quality (in my mind) - am I just being picky!?!?!
my first honwave had a manufacturing fault different to yours mine had a 5p piece size area of the floor fabric that was porous and letting air through any way I contacted the dealer cant remember who but they said oh we will contact honwave and see what they want to do .I reminded them I didn't buy it off honwave I bought it off them .I received a replacement within a week
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Old 06 January 2016, 04:01   #35
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You either aren't comfortable with it and reject it OR you are OK with it - I don't see that a "good will gesture" comes into it.
From the feedback I have had on this forum and from the dealer it sounds like it's not a major issue (i.e. it is structurally as sound as any other Honwave), it is however an imperfect product, what many manufacturers would call a "second" due to minor manufacturing defects and would as such be sold as such at a discounted price. I'm not of the mind of wasting time and money and most certainly not a huge wad of plastic given our throwaway society. Based on all these facts it seems like whilst not perfect, the boat is sound and with fixes in place and having not paid 100% for it i would be comfortable.

The goodwill gesture is my angle on saving both them and me time/effort/money and we're both happy.

Regardless, they've asked for it back now for a swap so this is all irrelevant now.

My position on this vendor stands, throughout the process of purchase and now fault finding/resolution they have been nothing but helpful, responsive and a pleasure to deal with. In fact were they in fact not cheaper than anywhere else I would still purchase from them due to the excellent service and total lack of pushy sales conversations.
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Weather is crud just now any way Stig.
You ain't missing out on much boating while you get your replacement sorted.
Glad to hear you've got things sorted out.
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I have seen Honwave made in Qingdao, China.

Are these the official makers under licence from Honda, or a copy ?

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So, all happily resolved to my satisfaction both with the dealer and with Honda, both of whom I have to say have been remarkably responsive and helpful.

Just on the stitching issue. As was noted by a couple of other posters this is now the standard manufacturing process on mk2 T38s however unsightly it is - you can't actually see it when the boat is inflated - but it is on all new Honwave boats (and many other brands) with inflatable floors AFAIK.

I was also interested to note that many of the structural joins are actually stitched, and glued as the construction of the boat is a fabric material impregnated with plastic (PVC) - I thought they were just glued.

Also and have the below from Honda:

Factory have now confirmed that the stitching holes in the floor to tube seam tapes are completely normal and part of the assembly process. The tape is folded in half along it's length and then machine stitched along the length about 15mm in from the fold. The whole tape is then glued to the floor sections and tubes in a pre-folded condition, for ease of assembly. Once the glue has set the stitching is cut from between the folded sides and thereby released to take the shape of the assembled parts.
This does leave the stitch holes somewhat visible, especially when the boat is deflated, but does not affect the structure in anyway. This is standard assembly method and we have checked around with other dealers to confirm they have similar assembly evidence, and they do.


I feel somewhat more knowledgeable about SIB construction and will be ready for the water in a week... just in time for it to get really cold!

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Honda problems

Yes . Honda seem to be having some real quality problems. Would not recommend to anyone to buy one. I will be posting my problems soon on a future thread.
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>>>Would not recommend to anyone to buy one

Only fair to indicate why folks might want to avoid Honwave??
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