honwave or seapro - Page 2

chipko · 14 June 2015, 17:11

Max,
How is that a bargain? A brand new Honwave T32 is £880 and selling on a post 2006 two stroke for private use is always going to be risky.

Max... · 14 June 2015, 17:44

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Originally Posted by chipko

Max,
How is that a bargain? A brand new Honwave T32 is £880 and selling on a post 2006 two stroke for private use is always going to be risky.

I never said it was a "bargain". £2000 would be a fairish if slightly lofty price, £1800 much better and £1600 what I would pay!

If you can get hold of Tohatsu 9.8's of that age and in that condition you will sell them within a week every single time.

Callum Stewart · 14 June 2015, 17:53

The 9.8 2 stroke is year 2012 with less than 1 hour TOTAL run time a new engine like this from the Channel Islands £ 1550 + vat = £1860 + £ 880 = £ 2740.00

Engine weight is 26kg most likely the best SIB engine on the market

Max... · 14 June 2015, 17:55

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thanks for the tip on the 3.2 Max but I might be more interested in the 3.5 for sale by Glow if its still available,

cheers

OK, but do take some time to think about the options and advice thus far, Paddlers offer is a great one. Blooming handy to have a couple of young lads to help with a SIB too but I'd really inspect an HP floor (Zodiac, Honwave etc) SIB too.

One final thought, look at what type of [floor] SIB Glow has moved to now...

beerbelly · 14 June 2015, 18:20

andyjackson im in Billingham just 10 mins up the road from you if you want to come and have a look at a airfloor honwave and have a drag about of a 15 hp mercury your more than welcome ill message you my tel no

chipko · 14 June 2015, 19:35

Callum,
In no way did I wish to spoil your for sale item. However, your ad was recommended as a good deal to a new-ish member. I merely pointed out the possible pitfalls of purchasing a post 2006 two stroke for private use.

No need to praise the virtues of the Tohatsu 9.8 to me as I already have a 2006 one.

Poly · 14 June 2015, 19:46

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Originally Posted by chipko

I merely pointed out the possible pitfalls of purchasing a post 2006 two stroke for private use.

Is there a risk to the buyer?

chipko · 14 June 2015, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Poly

Is there a risk to the buyer?

No, but the buyer may one day become the seller.
Apart from resale values, any future insurance claim may also be affected.
If it's a bargain and worth the risk, that's fine, but if you're paying a premium price.....

Poly · 14 June 2015, 20:05

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Originally Posted by chipko

No, but the buyer may one day become the seller.

My understanding (which may be wrong!) is that only the first person who puts in "on the (open) market" is being "naughty".

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Apart from resale values,

A look at pre-2006 2 stroke prices suggest that the benefits of 2-strokes attract a premium at this end of the market. I doubt there are a shortage of people who would see a newer one as a negative.

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any future insurance claim may also be affected.

interesting speculation - I guess some insurers will do anything to weedle out of a claim, but if you tell them in advance what you have it would be hard to do so.

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If it's a bargain and worth the risk, that's fine, but if you're paying a premium price.....

I think you are right to highlight that this is an unusual situation. However I suspect these engines do attract a bit of a premium because not everyone is as worried as you.

chipko · 14 June 2015, 22:08

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However I suspect these engines do attract a bit of a premium because not everyone is as worried as you.

I paid a premium price for a mint 2006 one last year. I would also not be worried about buying a cheeky newish used one, or even a cheekier new one from the Channel Islands. But then I am also aware it's bending the rules and accept any future pitfalls.

The Gurnard · 15 June 2015, 12:22

Hi andyjackson.. to go back on topic ...perhaps it worth following this thread ?

http://www.rib.net/forum/f16/scottis...ard-68396.html

The reason being..3 different Honwave SIBS ..one with airfloor..two with ali floors.. a Quicksilver 4.3m wood floor.. and a solid "SIB" all went through some of the strongest tides in the UK..then battled back home into a freshening F4 wind that produced a fair bit of chop..including the odd 2m tall standing wave.

The quicksilver is much the same as the Seapro you mentioned..except mine is 4.3m in length

It didnt surprise me to see.. there was little difference in the performance and handling ability of any of the boats there. There was not an Aerotec.. but I very much doubt it would significantly handle any better that any of the other boats that were out there in those conditions

Everyone will tell you their boat is the best brand.. go by the size of your purse and how you want to store or trailer it

Poly · 15 June 2015, 12:37

I'll support what the Gurnard said. All the boats coped remarkably well in some interesting waves. I think John Kennett was trying to get a collection of car toppable size SIBs together to do some side by side tests on the south coast somewhere. So you might be interested in those findings too.

IIRC only the airfloor Honwave at the weekend was carried in the back of the car the others were all on trailers which probably tells you something about the faff-factor involved in setting up the others and/or the weight.

Normally we reply to threads about "which boat" with "you need to tell us what you are going to do in it and how many people etc". With SIBs I think the question is "you need to tell us how you plan to store, transport and launch it". If you are going to end up with a trailer and launching at proper slipways etc, and can keep the engine on during transport you will end up with a very different solution from singlehanded launch from the back of astra anywhere I can get close to shore, stored in a shed,

Biggy · 17 June 2015, 23:19

I have s Honwave t38ie, it takes me no time to inflate and get on the water. I've had it out in choppy stuff, and only this week I was side by side with a 3.65m rib at WOT.
There was nothing between us with the same size 15hp outboard.
Floor stability was paramount for me in my boat purchase, I have a 4yr old that I needed to know was safe, she loves it, the Mrs hates boating, she feels fine in the Honwave.
And just to put your mind at ease, if you turn the Honwave upside down, you can actually stand on the "V -Hull" without it caving in!!!
I'd say that's pretty impressive for an air floor.
It planes with 3 on board & a 15hp outboard no problem. It's flat(ish) inside, I can stand up to fish, it'll take a 25hp outboard and carry 6 people.
Don't worry about buying an old one, mine is a 2008, it mint. No glue failure, no leaks, no air drop.
The only boat I'd swap mine for and that's only if mine got wrecked is an F-Rib.

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