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Old 19 April 2012, 19:58   #21
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Any more reviews/videos of a Futura in rough waters? Cheers.
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Old 20 April 2012, 18:57   #22
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The engine is a 2 stroke Mariner Lightweight 30Hp, James. It has a set of 'Doelfins' on it which seem to do a good job.

It only weighs 48kg.

Certainly seems to have a decent amount of grunt and power to weight ratio, as I've seen a few people on here with pretty disappointing performance on slightly bigger engines.

That said, I do wonder what's going on out there when there are dozens of inflation / outboard setup threads getting posted.

If I stuck a decent 60hp lump on it and only got 37mph I'd be looking to see if a spark plug had fallen out or the prop had a blade missing! Lol

Yes, GPS gives the figures for our speed over ground.

PS. Flat calm water will drop the speed by a couple of knots. Choppy conditions is when it hits top whack. I presume the chop creates less drag with more air going under the hull.
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Old 20 April 2012, 19:03   #23
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What do you call 'rough water', James?
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I've used to use a Zodiac MkII Compact Grand Tourism for the last 20 years. The only difference - is the Futura model has inflatable speed tubes. The boat had an interlocking aluminium floor section, inflatable keel, etc. We used this boat for the west coast of Scotland and were out in all sorts of weather including big Atlantic rollers. Always felt safe, but I knew the limitations. The seams (PVC) eventually went on one side (ran under the rope cuff and rowlock). I repaired it - but moved to RIBs a few years back, so now the boat is redundant. Incidentally, Zodiac moved the seam joint to the underside of the tubes on later models to avoid this problem which is due to heat expansion and contraction, an issue in hot climates where the tubes are exposed to UV rays all day long.

The Zodiacs have a relatively shallow inflatable v hull, so they tend to slap in the rough stuff. Having said that, I always found them light, highly maneuverable, very fast, and perfect for exploring the coastline, beaching, etc. The Futura design (speed tubes) lifts the boat out of the water, so it corners like it's on rails, planes easily, etc. Part of the trouble with Zodiacs is they're light, so getting ballast up front (my brother in my case) and it handled like a dream.

We had a Yamaha 25hp 2-stroke on the Zodiac. Bear in mind the boat was built every holiday on the slipway. It was moored at a local pier, and then when the holiday was over, washed, dismantled, then stored for the season. The 25hp would be about as big as I'd want to go if I was manhandling it myself. The boat was rated to 40hp, but that's definitely a 2-man job to lift on and off, but something we did consider.

60hp, even 2-stroke, is going to be very heavy. I have a Tohatsu 2-stroke on my RIB and it weighs in at 115kg, and would be an absolute brute to try and move on a regular basis.

Because your boat is going to be inflated for the season and hoisted into the water, then an engine you're comfortable man-handling and storing is key. If you can find a Yamaha 40hp 2-stroke, then I can't rate them highly enough. I used to have the same engine on a Zodiac Pro. The 40V model is an absolute delight to use. Very easy to maintain, excellent power to weight ratio, and if you opt for manual lift and trim, then one less thing to worry about, without a battery to store. The Yamaha 50G model which uses the same powerhead and weighs the same would be a good bet too. They're favoured by commercial fisherman, and nigh impossible to find, although you never know. These 2-stroke models have Autolube so no need to pre-mix oil.

Occasionally Zodiac Futura MkIIIs with engines come on the second-hand market. If it were me, I'd opt to buy the boat brand-new with a seating and console kit, and source a second-hand engine. The stern wheels would be a good bet for your particular circumstances, although they do look plug-ugly.

Good luck.
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The engine is a 2 stroke Mariner Lightweight 30Hp, James. It has a set of 'Doelfins' on it which seem to do a good job.

It only weighs 48kg.

Certainly seems to have a decent amount of grunt and power to weight ratio, as I've seen a few people on here with pretty disappointing performance on slightly bigger engines.

That said, I do wonder what's going on out there when there are dozens of inflation / outboard setup threads getting posted.

If I stuck a decent 60hp lump on it and only got 37mph I'd be looking to see if a spark plug had fallen out or the prop had a blade missing! Lol

Yes, GPS gives the figures for our speed over ground.

PS. Flat calm water will drop the speed by a couple of knots. Choppy conditions is when it hits top whack. I presume the chop creates less drag with more air going under the hull.

What do you call 'rough water', James?

Glad to hear your 32mph speed is via GPS! So I would say its fair to assume Zodiac quote their speed rating of 37mph with the min recommended engine of 40HP, seams reasonable that 10 extra HP (a third more power) gives the boat 5mph extra. Also I swear when I was looking at buying my current Zodiac, I remember seeing the Futura in the broacher and the biggest one then could have a max of 50HP and It had a pic of it flying along and it said 50mph* was achievable but it had an astrix, and at the bottom of the page the astrix said this was acheived with a certain Yamaha 50HP engine with a special long pitched prop, something like that anyway!

Like you say, I would defiantly think a 60HP engine would do more than the quoted 37mph unless it was running on 2 cylinders! lol


I would call "rough waters" in Mallorca (obviously different here!) as similar to your video of choppy waters but also with some choppy swell in certain parts and also in the height of summer when you literally have 200 big boats going back and forth each day near us, their swell/waves create another playing field!

Either way the waters out there are a boaters paradise people always say, its just I was a little anxious about the Futura's hull because I am used to a RIB which obviously cuts through the water/waves better, but then again I am only used to a small 3.4m RIB, so a 4.5m Futura being that much longer should help to ride the waves better in that respect I think?!
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I've used to use a Zodiac MkII Compact Grand Tourism for the last 20 years. The only difference - is the Futura model has inflatable speed tubes. The boat had an interlocking aluminium floor section, inflatable keel, etc. We used this boat for the west coast of Scotland and were out in all sorts of weather including big Atlantic rollers. Always felt safe, but I knew the limitations. The seams (PVC) eventually went on one side (ran under the rope cuff and rowlock). I repaired it - but moved to RIBs a few years back, so now the boat is redundant. Incidentally, Zodiac moved the seam joint to the underside of the tubes on later models to avoid this problem which is due to heat expansion and contraction, an issue in hot climates where the tubes are exposed to UV rays all day long.

The Zodiacs have a relatively shallow inflatable v hull, so they tend to slap in the rough stuff. Having said that, I always found them light, highly maneuverable, very fast, and perfect for exploring the coastline, beaching, etc. The Futura design (speed tubes) lifts the boat out of the water, so it corners like it's on rails, planes easily, etc. Part of the trouble with Zodiacs is they're light, so getting ballast up front (my brother in my case) and it handled like a dream.

We had a Yamaha 25hp 2-stroke on the Zodiac. Bear in mind the boat was built every holiday on the slipway. It was moored at a local pier, and then when the holiday was over, washed, dismantled, then stored for the season. The 25hp would be about as big as I'd want to go if I was manhandling it myself. The boat was rated to 40hp, but that's definitely a 2-man job to lift on and off, but something we did consider.

60hp, even 2-stroke, is going to be very heavy. I have a Tohatsu 2-stroke on my RIB and it weighs in at 115kg, and would be an absolute brute to try and move on a regular basis.

Because your boat is going to be inflated for the season and hoisted into the water, then an engine you're comfortable man-handling and storing is key. If you can find a Yamaha 40hp 2-stroke, then I can't rate them highly enough. I used to have the same engine on a Zodiac Pro. The 40V model is an absolute delight to use. Very easy to maintain, excellent power to weight ratio, and if you opt for manual lift and trim, then one less thing to worry about, without a battery to store. The Yamaha 50G model which uses the same powerhead and weighs the same would be a good bet too. They're favoured by commercial fisherman, and nigh impossible to find, although you never know. These 2-stroke models have Autolube so no need to pre-mix oil.

Occasionally Zodiac Futura MkIIIs with engines come on the second-hand market. If it were me, I'd opt to buy the boat brand-new with a seating and console kit, and source a second-hand engine. The stern wheels would be a good bet for your particular circumstances, although they do look plug-ugly.

Good luck.

Great right up mate, thanks!
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Example of the Yammie 50G 2-stroke I was talking about. Sweet engine... Avon Adventure A4.0 RIB, Yamaha 50hp Outboard in immaculate condition | eBay
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Example of the Yammie 50G 2-stroke I was talking about. Sweet engine... Avon Adventure A4.0 RIB, Yamaha 50hp Outboard in immaculate condition | eBay
Nice boat, I have emailed him asking how heavy it is!

As for the engine, yea I know those Yam 2 strokes are good, I have the 25HP version!
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Yup - we had the Yammy 50 2 stroke and it was great !
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I have a 4.5 Futura MK 3 HD with an Evinrude etec 60 hp, 5 seats and console steering, based in Mallorca. Max speed 32 knots with one person on board on flat water. Very economical @ 3000rpm 18 knots. Will easily pull a 70 kg skier but would not easily pull a heavy skier out of the water. Good in rough water but can be a bit bumpy at speed due to the flat hull. Transom wheels can be fitted in the water but they are a bit buoyant so it isn't easy and they are not very useful. The engine is too heavy to remove without a winch which I have in the garage. In practice, dismantling the boat after use is not worth the effort and mine stays inflated on a trailer with the engine attached when not in the water. The trailer is too long to fit in a garage with the boat. Mine is therefore stored in a boatyard when not in use. Hope this answers all of your questions. Feel free to ask more.
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