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Old 09 September 2015, 14:42   #41
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Old 09 September 2015, 15:44   #42
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We're doin' great... you got the police hat behind your back just in case??

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Gurnard & I will never fall out... but I'm just going to have a grumble about selective quoting!

Be fair to me Gurnard that was a very selective out of context quote from a past post of mine and I wouldn't want anyone who reads your post above but doesn't click the link to think I'm saying Zodiacs only last 10/12yrs.

So what I said was as follows... and I've taken out nothing of importance re glued seam life just made it shorter to quote... caps use isn't shouting but I don't know how to do bold or italics...



<<<My 340 Acti-V Zodiac is 11yrs old (*MY MISTAKE IT WAS ACTUALLY 12YRS OLD)... with no signs of any glue/seam problem to worry about yet but I'm aware issue could arise so have a good pull at the seams/fittings every time I inflate.

The Aerotec is 17yrs old... there are signs of previous glue repairs plus there are some more bits I'll catch over the next year or so to keep it sound...so it will last many more years yet. Like many Zodiacs the tubes have welded seams so they should last a long time and the transom is sound so even if it does need further repairs it will be worth doing.

Of course if you think DIY repairing glued seams is not for you then keeping a PVC SIB beyond 10yrs will always be a gamble.

But in the scheme of life not much of a gamble. If you buy a new Zodiac Cadet around £1200 for the usual gentle leisure use and keep it 12yrs even if (*NOTE HERE I SAID EVEN IF, NOT WHEN) it does show some sign of glue issues it will probably still make £200 on Ebay. So that's cost about £80/yr which to me is absolute peanuts for the fun you have over the years.>>>



So not quite such a voice of doom for current/Zodiac owners as the selected quote might indicate. To expand on what I meant by "if you think DIY repairing glued seams is not for you then keeping a PVC SIB beyond 10yrs will always be a gamble"....

I know from own experience and another owner on here of Aerotecs suffering at 17yrs old. Last year I looked at buying two Zodiac 340s at different times which were both around 14yrs old with the start of glue issues.

So this is a possibility that needs considering when you buy a used Zodiac and in my personal age vs price consideration I'd have to think that at 10yrs old you are perhaps only looking at 5-7yrs before the glue pot might be needed and that needs to be realistically considered in what you pay. If you buy at 5yrs old then you have 10-12yrs before that time and it's quite likely you will sell on without needing to repair.

There are of course many PVC Zodiacs about of 17+yrs with no issues like your Seago.

It interests me why some glued seams last a far shorter time than others. With nothing to back it up I've always thought it is UV/weather/salt exposure that increases the rate of glue failure so a leisure use SIB that is washed off after use, dried and packed in its bag will last longer. Others have said to me they reckon it is the rolling up when packing that causes the increased rate of glue failure... so that one's up in the air.

Probably Office888 could set me straight on this issue.
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Old 09 September 2015, 16:40   #43
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Eve’ning Willk .. I will agree again with Fenlander.. we are just nattering away together..not grunting at each other. Perhaps I spent too much time here today too ..as I was housebound ..although I can only say that for myself.

The only thing I think we might be guilty of .. is going off topic from Amukinado’s original post..so feel free to use your duster anywhere you think fit on my natterings.

Thanks for swapping thoughts Fenlander..I know we wont fall out... and I meant it in sincerity when I said .. Im sorry I missed you at Loch Sween. Despite our differences in opinion at times.. Im sure we are very alike and face to face would get on well. I think we offered some good information of different SIBs too..and that was the whole point behind our nattering

I have no more SIB type suggestion for Amukinado.. so unless he has any questions on anything I have mentioned.. so I will go back to sleep on this thread
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..so feel free to use your duster anywhere you think fit on my natterings
Meh! I was just passing through. "As you were"....
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Old 09 September 2015, 20:38   #45
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Good evening guys.

I don't mind the off topic. I own a forum too and sometimes off topic is good to learn some new stuff.

I have followed the F-Rib from the beggining and I find it to be a very interesting product. Still, too expensive for me right now. Maybe it could be the best of both worlds as it seems to pack up nicely when deflated. I will still re evaluate the thing but I think it's hard to reach it.

Honwave is very popular here in Portugal (unlike most of the other brands you suggested) so tomorrow I'm going to see if I can find a T38 in a shop to take a look.

I don't like the wheel options for the Honwave but maybe I could build a dolly to launch it from the beach?

Do you recon the F9.9 is enough for the T38?
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Old 10 September 2015, 02:39   #46
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I use a 9.9 on my prowave 380 and it's fine. Planes with two, with one you'll need a tiller extension. You're not going to win any speed contests but still more than safe. The honwave owner we were out with had a Suzuki 15 with fins which was amazing. The fins made a huge difference.

If you're buying a new engine I'd buy larger than a 9.9, however if you've got a 9.9 currently, like I did, then I wouldn't replace it (unless you really want to or there's more than 2 of you)
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Old 10 September 2015, 04:59   #47
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What kind of difference do the fins make? Are they worth it?

By the way, I have been loking for prowave's website and haven't found it. Do you have it?
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The fins apparently drop the top speed marginally but the hole shot is now almost non existent. I was quite impressed actually. It went from stand still straight to the plane with no nose rise.

I'll let others comment on the theoretical impact of the fins. I've not got them fitted to mine so other than the 5 mins I spent bombing around in the honwave, I've no other experience.

Prowave, unfortunately either closed or went bankrupt. I heard it was part of a divorce settlement, but might be wrong. There are quite a few people (on here as well I seem to remember) that use them though, a lot as safety boats at clubs etc. So you won't find a new one, however they do come up every now and then 2nd hand. Mine is coming up to 2yrs old now I think.
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So the fins work like a deflector or a spoiler to keep the boat in the right position the whole time? That's neat... I usually just put my fishing gear in the front of the boat and it does the trick for me.

That's a shame about Prowave. They looked nice and I liked the red. Unfortunately I can't buy a used sib unless I do it in Portugal. If I'm importing it has to be brand new so I can register it. So no used Prowave or Aerotec for me. That's why I'm leaning towards the Honwave. It's easy to get one here and it's quite cheap to buy new.

I suggested the used Seapro because it was being sold by Bill Higham Marine so maybe they could write me a receipt with my name on it.
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Today I had the chance to see the T38 IE. Damn, that boat is light... I thought it weighted the same as my Suzumar, but when I lifted the thing it just felt so much lighter!
I also really liked the small details that my boat lacks, like the inside handles close to the outboard, the handles in front, the straps for the tank and the tow rings. Those small details that can make your life so much easier...
The floor also felt a bit heavy duty and the V profile isn't that big of a deal. The price is very decent for the quality of the boat.

I also checked other dealers but Honwave is the only brand offering the product I am looking for.

Now I just have to decide if I keep my outboard or if I upgrade the whole pack for a T38 with a BF20. I have to check the dimensions and weight of the engine to see if I can get it in my boot and lift it easily.
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