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Old 26 July 2013, 05:49   #1
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Hello, new Aerotec owner, couple of questions...

Hello,

So, I recently sold my sea kayak (a Tahe Greenland - 5.4m of glassfibre rolling machine ) as it was just too impractical to store & transport, not to mention a bit antisocial with a family and always at risk of my 4 year old deciding to jump on it or trying to lift it off it's rack and dropping it. Not wanting to be completely boat-less, I started looking at inflatable canoes - Gumotex, Sevylor, etc. and in the process happened to notice that SIBs were much cheaper than I expected them to be...

After a couple of weeks of research, including many hours on rib.net, I decided on an airdeck boat, so long as it was a good solid HP airdeck, around 3.4m, capable of 2 planing with 2 adults and 2 children and able to be packed into the boat of a mid-sized teutonic autobahn cruiser (i.e. a 5 series estate). First I settled on a Zodiac 3.4 acti-v, next a Quicksilver 340, then a Honwave T38 finally the Bombard Aerotec 380. After a bit of trawling around, used 380s sold without an outboard seem to be rare but I spotted a 420 which seemed in reasonable nick. As I wanted to get a boat before our holiday in 3 weeks time, I made an offer which I thought would be a good starting point and it was accepted(!) so I should be taking delivery sometime in the next week or so

Whilst I've paddled some fairly serious water in the past and have a healthy respect of the sea, I know next to nothing about powerboats and outboards (engines yes, but not in boats) so will be taking the RYA PB2 later in the year. Then hopefully I can pick up a tired 2 stroke outboard between 15 and 25hp which I can sort-out over winter ready for next season.

What that means is that for the coming holiday we'll be rowing/paddling only. We're going to Italy (Italian wife), to the Cinque Terre region north of La Spezia, so hopefully some nice coastal rowing in fairly sheltered waters from beach to beach. Italy looks to require an ICC so I wouldn't be able to get certified in-time even if I did have an engine available.

Couple of questions are:

I've seen people have retrofitted rowlocks to Aerotecs and I've found some different types available from ribstore and Ron Hale. There are some genuine Bombard ones which are quite cheap but they're basically plastic versions of 'old style' U-shaped rowlocks - are these any good or should I spend more on the captive types? I get the impression that the captive ones might limit rowing technique to more like paddling - can you feather the blade in the captive ones? That being said, I doubt a SIB is ever going to go to well with only oars.

Secondly, does anyone know if the ICC is just for powered craft, or put it another way, do I need any licence or paperwork for a 4.2m rowing boat in Italy?

Cheers, hope to meet some people on the water some day!

Andrew.
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Old 26 July 2013, 06:23   #2
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Welcome - there is a good follwing of Aerotec owners on here . The 420 are rarer but you may have got it from another member ( another Peter ? ) on here.

I think the 420 is a more hefty beast than the 380 - so more power needed - but most find 15hp pushes the 380 well , and 25hp for more loaded up boats / weighty / speedy adventures .

If you can find PB2 course that will do some time on a tiller steered boat all the better. I 'think' the ICC is only needed for powered boats but Italy may well have its own local rules ..someone wil be along shortly I'm sure to clarify.
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Old 26 July 2013, 06:23   #3
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Hello from another guy not too far from Cambridge.

Two thoughts come to mind...

>>>hopefully I can pick up a tired 2 stroke outboard between 15 and 25hp which I can sort-out over winter ready for next season.

Get a decent outboard and look after it not a restoration job, you'll be relying on it to get you back.


>>>for the coming holiday we'll be rowing/paddling only


Rowing a 4.2m sib! OMG as my teen daughters would say. A sib doesn't carry and way and just stops the moment you stop rowing. Also has dreadful directional stability unless under power of an outboard. A fairly modest wind will scoot it over the water faster than you can row.
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I've got the pin-type captive rowlocks on one of my Aerotecs. It's never going to be a pleasure to row, but it does work surprisingly well. You can't feather the oars.

You'll find that the continuous run of grab handle along the top of the tubes is exactly where you'll want to put the rowlocks. Mine are inside, but now that I've used them a few times I'd suggest they go on the outside instead.

Make sure you get oars that are long enough. I just bought the first pair I could find and they barely reached the water so I had to buy some more!

If you can find a cheap 4 or 5 hp outboard it will be fine for low speed use, and would give you more options than oars alone.
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Hi, great choice of Sib, but I think you are going to be disappointed with it as a rowing boat. The very nature and construction of a sib means its a poor shape to row in the first place and the standard oars are terrible. You cant feather the oars, reach is limited and the relatively short oar means you cant get much length of stroke, if you put any kind of power into the stroke something will break.

Sibs work best with engines, I'm not sure about the laws in Italy, but could you get away with a small outboard just for this holiday and register the boat on UK flag (SSR). I think there is a exception for small boats with slow speeds and engines less than 9.9hp.
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Old 26 July 2013, 06:35   #6
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Thanks all for the replies and welcomes

PeterM - yes, Peter in Portsmouth, boatsandoutboardsforsale - seems a decent bloke from emails so far.

Fenlander - Point taken about the outboard. I build engines for fun (normally injected Rover V8s) but yes, reliability at sea is a different kettle of fish from in a land rover! Where are you btw? I fancy the idea of some weekend trips down the Cam to the Wash and also the Norfolk/Suffolk coast.

John - thanks for the rowing tips, especially the mounting, I'd planned on the inside of the grab rail (seen photos of Finish guys boat on here) but maybe outside is better.

LLP - interesting, I'll look into a dinky outboard as a starter option. Good point about breaking something if I row to hard. The idea really is just for pootling around in the water on holiday until I sort out PB2/ICC - something/anything to alleviate the utter boredom of the beach holiday the rest of my family seem to enjoy...

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something/anything to alleviate the utter boredom of the beach holiday the rest of my family seem to enjoy...
My packing list for family holidays generally includes an Aerotec and a large SOT kayak.

Sometimes I even let the rest of the family use them!
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Old 26 July 2013, 06:55   #8
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Just a thought, buying a small old outboard for your Hols would be more expensive than buying a Sevylor Colorado. You can never have too many boats. We all need a small personal fleet to be truly happy.
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Hi - welcome. I had the Aerotec 380. For planing nicely with 2 adults and 2 kids min 15hp (I had) and preferably (much better) a 25hp I would say. I agree with the rowing comments - tricky! Even with a 3.3 it will go nicely onshore and in lakes though ? . In Italy hiring powerboats with less than 40hp does not need an ICC (on the lakes this year) so it maybe you would not need a license at all- worth a check with RYA?
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Thanks all for the replies and welcomes

PeterM - yes, Peter in Portsmouth, boatsandoutboardsforsale - seems a decent bloke from emails so far.
Yep - got my 25 for my Bombard from him and he posts on here regularly but maybe Plymouth and not portsmouth ( but he does get about ! ) the 420 is a long shaft engine so that should open up some choice for you.

I know of a very nice 9.8 tohatsu that I'm sure is for sale from a member on here - but then again with a long shaft engine the ex yacht auxiliary market opens up to you.
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