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Old 08 October 2008, 18:04   #11
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I used to have a Bombard with a 2 stroke 30hp Mariner. Left Resipole (Loch Sunart) and crossed to Tobermoray. 2 folk and a big dog on board with just picnic stuff and guddle. It did surprisingly well at about 10mile/gallon. But without fuel you're going nowhere so take plenty to be sure. If it's choppy, make sure your teeth are firmly in place.
Cheers, if its choppy, i'll leave my teeth at home!
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Old 08 October 2008, 18:09   #12
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We have a 12l fuel tank and will back that up with another 10l in a jerry-can (unless you guys recommend any different).
tony - a 12L tank isn't very big. and refuelling at sea is a pain in the ass/messy. I would put a 25L tank on my shopping list. If you are going sooner than you can organise that, then there is a good chance mine will be sitting doing nothing (afraid it won't come supplied with fuel!) - and I am only a few miles away. Mine is a Yamaha tank so fittings should be compatible.
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... this time we will be (probably) launching from a concrete slipway (so not so important to leave at high tide I presume) and arriving at a rock/sandy beach ...
beware not all slipways are usable at all state of tide - might stop and turn to stone/beach or in some cases just drop off.
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In what way can we use the tide to move us along more efficiently?
I presume you have the chart for the area. It should show tidal streams on it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_diamond). Ideally you want the tide to be flowing in same direction as you. In some cases through narrow gaps the tide might be running at 5 knots (in extreme cases can be more), so if the boat is moving at 5 knots through the water you will be moving at 10 knots over the ground. If you do the opposite you just stay in the same spot burning fuel. Even doing 10 knots through the water it can make the difference between a 1/2 hr trip and a 1.5 hr trip!

A course would be a wise investment, as this is probably not the part of the world to be learning this the hard way!
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hmmmm, i'm assuming you are going bothying, nice ones in the 3 areas you've mentioned,

loch etive, be wary of the falls of lora under connel bridge, launch futher 'inland'

loch ailort, I'm assuming the tide was moving through the mouth of the loch when you came back - were you crossing to glenuig, or coming back into the loch - the tides in the mouth run in a 'interesting way' and there are a lot of rocks around, its also one of those lochs very affected by wind squalls, being surrounded by big hills


sound of mull, It would be interesting to know where you are thinking of travelling from - lochaline, mull itself, or from oban,

and you might want to look at the rya website at some sort of course, decide what it is you want to learn, more practical boat handling, or some theory, tides, navigation etc etc
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Thanks for all this info guys. Its much appreciated.

Just to clarify, it's a round trip of 12 miles (cheers Polwart, I'll half that calculation you provided) and there will be 3 adult males with packs and supplies for an overnight trip incl. coal and logs. We have a 12l fuel tank and will back that up with another 10l in a jerry-can (unless you guys recommend any different)..
That weight is going to have a big factor in fuel usage. Even on bigger more powerfull boats that sort of weight decreases fuel consumption heavily.




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You're right to raise concerns over our inexperience. In August we took a trip across Loch Ailort. We sailed on the Friday, returning on the Sunday and experienced contrasting conditions. But we were prepared with tide tables and weather forecasts so at least we weren't surprised. For this trip, if the weather forecast is going to be windy then we'll have a plan 'B' and go elsewhere, like upstream on Loch Etive.
Loch Etive is nice, i did my first kayak trip there many moons ago.
Factor tides again, especially if near the Connel Bridge end of the loch.


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With regards launching and the tides, what do you recommend? For our last trip it was easier to launch from a rocky shore at high tide, arriving at high tide on a sandy beach. This time we will be (probably) launching from a concrete slipway (so not so important to leave at high tide I presume) and arriving at a rock/sandy beach.

In what way can we use the tide to move us along more efficiently?
Invest in an Almanac which gives you a tidal atlas for each hour of tide. They tend to be more usefull than tidal diamonds up there as there are many eddies and anomalies up that way. Another usefull book (although weighted towards our sailing friends) is The Yachtsman's Pilot. Isle of Mull and adjacent coasts By Martin Lawrence. Isbn 085288692-6


All sounds a bit pesamistic but plan for the worst hope for the best......

Looking forward to seeing pics of this trip as the scenery and sense of adventure is great up that way.
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