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Old 26 October 2011, 05:59   #11
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>>>starting to wonder if I really need a RIB.

That's what it comes down to Stuart... do you "need" a RIB. Many folks (and this forum isn't representative because loads of people do some serious stuff with their RIBs) don't need a RIB but just fancy one. However if your trips and the weather you go out in need a RIB then a SIB just won't cut it. You probably won't die in a SIB but you will end up at minimum speed, soaking wet and bounced about.

But if (like me) you are having a period where you don't want to trail a boat, don't want to store one on a trailer and family/finances dictate modest expenditure then a 3.2-3.8m SIB with 10-15hp gets you on the water for some great value fun/trips.

In this I'm assuming you won't be trailering the SIB? TBH if you were thinking of using a SIB on a trailer then I'd keep the RIB.

If you are considering the daily inflate/deflate with a SIB make sure you have the attitude to put up with it. I treat this 30 min at each end of the trip as part of the trip and almost enjoy it as part of the experience... others find it a chore.

If you do decide to get a SIB in another month or two the prices will be down to winter bargains and 1500-2000 should get something in very good condition, perhaps a 1-4yr old boat with 4-10yr old 2-stroke in mint condition, transom wheels and other kit.

Here is an example of an outfit to consider...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/zodiac-3-4...23048398245935

I'd prefer a 2-stroke outboard but it does come with about 300 of extras in the launch wheels, seat & bow bags plus extra seat.

At the lower end of the budget this was a bargain at 1000... the outboard alone could have made most of that in the usual early summer buying frenzy.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/11ft-Infla...item20bd7ac6cc
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Old 26 October 2011, 07:48   #12
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As others have said you don't need a 4x4 to tow a SR4.

I think if the hassle of launch and recovering a RIB is a pain then a SIB is going to be at least as bad.

SR4 is by many accounts the best 4m boat around, and no SIB is going to match it. You'll have fun in it - and you could do Oban - Tobermory on a nice day, but your options will be a bit more limited.

Other than storage I don't see the running costs being much different?
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I think if the hassle of launch and recovering a RIB is a pain then a SIB is going to be at least as bad.


Other than storage I don't see the running costs being much different?
Launching probably depends where you are though - round here the only launch place within 50 miles or so into the sea with a RIB is one slipway into a very tricky fast channel available 2 hours or so either side of high tide. With a SIB we can drop in the river or off the beach any time of day when the weather or opportunity arises. And it doesn't cost 15 a time! The freedom of being able to do this is much more important though than the money saved.

Obviously all boats cost something to run but for a small SIB insurance is 60 vs say 160, fuel for a 10hp must be a fraction of that for a 40hp +. Anyone can service a simple 2 stroke at home compared to say a bigger 4 stroke (not sure what the OP is using?). That's about it though - no trailer costs, slipway costs, storage costs or similar and of course much less capital tied up in the thing...
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Old 26 October 2011, 09:18   #14
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Obviously all boats cost something to run but for a small SIB insurance is 60 vs say 160, fuel for a 10hp must be a fraction of that for a 40hp +. Anyone can service a simple 2 stroke at home compared to say a bigger 4 stroke (not sure what the OP is using?). That's about it though - no trailer costs, slipway costs, storage costs or similar and of course much less capital tied up in the thing...
Max - I've seen a SR recovered up a river bank - it wasn't pretty but it is an option. However slipways don't seem to be the OP's main concern. So I assume it is getting the boat on the trailer, lighting boards, strapping down, moving loose clutter etc, general faff, there are still going to be similar headaches with a SIB - possibly more.

I'm not convinced the price differences are that big? My insurance is just under 100 not 160. A 10 HP working quite hard will maybe get you 18knots ish and burn 3-4L an hour. A 40HP at the same speed won't be using much more. A 40 HP can probably do double that speed if he wants to (and probably still burning less than 1/2 a L per mile). There's nothing complicated about servicing a 40HP even if it is a 4stroke.

I can only remember having to pay once to use a slip this year (it was a donation) and I'd have paid to use a sib too.

Trailer servicing is more of a hassle than a cost at this scale, and for the cost of a decent set of transom wheels you can get several replacement bearings (mine are 5 years old and going strong). Plenty of SIB owners revert to trailers (either boat ones or box ones) in the end which means that that "saving" is not necessarily cast in stone...

The cost of buying and owning a (used but respectable) SR4 are not dissimilar to a (used but respectable) big sib.

I've nothing against SIBs (in many ways my boat is a big hard sib!) but the grass is always greener etc! I can see the pro's con's clearly between a 3.2m sib and a 6m rib, and depending on use either one could be the winner. At the 4m length its not so clear cut.
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And if you need more convincing check out wilk's video he posted of his 25 nm trip.


FWIW, I had to wait all season to get a day calm enough to do that.

SIBs are mental fun, but they're not able to handle rough water with any kind of comfort. I'd hang on to the SR4.
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Cheers for the answers, lots of good info. My normal launch site is the beach at New Brighton, it's a very shallow slope so getting the SR back on the trailer single handed can be a hassle particularly with the hull flooded. It can get very exposed too. It's also something like 80 quid a year for a permit as well. As far as I know most of the slips round here are paid. A 4wd isnt necessary I know, I had the pickup before the boat, it's just another cost and I'm interested in how small a car I can go.

Lots to think about but it looks like a SIB setup wouldnt be far off what I'd get for my SR4 so kind of defeats the purpose. Same for running costs by the sound if it. I guess it comes down to convenience. I'm loathe to get rid of it though if there isnt much of money in it and I'd just be limiting what I could do.

I take it winter would be a daft time to be selling anyway?

Thanks for all the info, really interesting to read.
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There might be things you can do to assist the recovery. I've been meaning to add guide poles to the back of my trailer for a while, and I was recently launched and recovered by someone using a steel extension bar and that made the whole exercise trivial.

You can probably pull the SR with a car that is too small to fit a SIB! I pulled my similar sized boat with a mazda 323 with 1.3 petrol L engine quite happily. I've seen smaller cars do it too. To get even a small sib in there you would need the back seats down, and my 20HP engine was a 2 man lift in out.
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As others have said you don't need a 4x4 to tow a SR4.

I think if the hassle of launch and recovering a RIB is a pain then a SIB is going to be at least as bad.
+1 for that. I much rather launch and recover my SR 5.4r single handed on a trailer than setting up a SIB with outboard of any size. I like SIB's, there is something magic about them (Wilks video was great by the way )but still for regular use i rather use a boat on trailer.
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60hp Yam 4 stroke on 4.9m Zodiac gives 10-12mpg at full chat and 15-18mpg cruising with 2 up.
Tow car diesel Peugeot 407 gives 45+mpg towing.
Less than 100 insurance.
Loads of FREE slips around here.
Can launch single handed in 10 mins and recover in 20.
Happier in sea than with a SIB
Thought this was economical compared with many posters on this site.
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Where are all these free slipways guys?? All the slips I have ever come across are mostly 15 - 25!!
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